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Old 07-16-2009, 12:51 PM   #11
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I never really liked Clinton as a person, but I think he was damn effective. Looking back at how things went during his time, for me, things were really good. And they were for almost everyone I knew then as well.
Think Republican controlled Congress. Congress gets things done. The President is just someone to blame when everything goes wrong. At least Clinton could blame his opposition as to why things may have failed. Obama will have no such fallback.
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Old 07-16-2009, 12:58 PM   #12
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Think Republican controlled Congress. Congress gets things done. The President is just someone to blame when everything goes wrong. At least Clinton could blame his opposition as to why things may have failed. Obama will have no such fallback.

Strange, I saw a few days-ago where Pres. Obama was claiming the "Recovery is EXACTLY where I predicted and planned for it to be at this time".

So, we're good. Let's all celebrate - the End of the Recession (caused by Boosh the Stupid, Evil Genious) is near.
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:08 PM   #13
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I never really liked Clinton as a person, but I think he was damn effective. Looking back at how things went during his time, for me, things were really good. And they were for almost everyone I knew then as well.
Naw. Clinton was ineffective as president. He got reversed by the Pubes constantly and so he took credit for it anyhow. He WAS effective at getting millions of dunderheads to protect his perjury by playing bait and switch and pretend it was abut sex instead of lying under oath.

He also profited by coming to power shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union (a true Evil Empire) and finishing his terms before the internationalists could build up the next excuse for incessant war (Jihadism).

Clinton was likely the most able politician since Reagan and FDR. Too bad his personal poor ethics made him squander that ability in stupid scandals. He was also probably the luckiest SOB ever to sit in the White House.
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:59 PM   #14
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Think Republican controlled Congress. Congress gets things done. The President is just someone to blame when everything goes wrong. At least Clinton could blame his opposition as to why things may have failed. Obama will have no such fallback.
The Executive branch is extremely powerful and has a direct impact on what government does. They usually set the agenda for Congress with legislative proposals, especially at the start of the term. Look at all the legislation that Obama has brought to the table since he was elected. This is even more true when you have one party in both branches. The US hasn't had strong Congressional leadership since the 50's when Ike was President. Ike liked it that way.
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:08 PM   #15
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The US hasn't had strong Congressional leadership since the 50's when Ike was President.
You can say that again.

Still don't .....................
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"Last edited by seruzawa : Today at 01:33 PM. Reason: racist comments"

Um... no.

Not even close.
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Bill Clinton and Chuck Schumer are praising the Supreme Court for overturning an anti-gay-marriage law that they both signed.
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:35 PM   #17
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It's a fact that Obama excelled in school, got himself scholarships to college, got accepted and gradated from Harvard
... yet emerged with the notion that the US Army fought in Poland in WWII.

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taught Constitutional law, got involved in his community and politics, and ultimately was elected President by a fairly large margin. If you really hated this country, would you go through all that
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or would you blow up Federal buildings or build compounds in the mountains?
I'm at a loss as to how blowing up a building or living in the mountains would be a more effective strategy for tranforming the nation from something you hate, to something more amenable to your worldview, than becoming the President. His pal Ayers tried the "blow crap up" route, and wasn't particularly influential.

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And frankly, the guy's turned out to be a frikin centrist anyway; he's about as radical as white bread
Three-quarter-trillion dollar Keynesian schemes, universal health care, government ownership of corporations, and staggering energy taxes for a chimerical environmentalist hysteria are "centrist"? The mind reels...
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Bill Clinton and Chuck Schumer are praising the Supreme Court for overturning an anti-gay-marriage law that they both signed.
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:45 PM   #18
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"The US hasn't had strong Congressional leadership since the 50's when Ike was President. Ike liked it that way."

What the hell are you talking about? We have Pelosi and Reid! Can't get any stronger smell of rotten stench than those two.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:33 PM   #19
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The Executive branch is extremely powerful and has a direct impact on what government does. They usually set the agenda for Congress with legislative proposals, especially at the start of the term. Look at all the legislation that Obama has brought to the table since he was elected. This is even more true when you have one party in both branches. The US hasn't had strong Congressional leadership since the 50's when Ike was President. Ike liked it that way.
Clinton was effective for the very reason that he wasn't able to accomplish anything. Bill and Newt were so busy being at each other's throats that nothing got done. Clinton vetoed what Congress did, and Congress wouldn't do anything he recommended. And that is the definition of success...when government doesn't do much of anything. Wish it would happen again.
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Old 07-17-2009, 06:03 AM   #20
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"Look at all the legislation that Obama has brought to the table since he was elected."

I won't say you need a refresher course in civics, but you do. Obama can't bring ANY legislation to anywhere. He has very little real power other than a veto. You give him way too much credit. Here is a quick refersher in case you forgot:

All the president's ministerial appointments have to be vetted by Congress, and Congress may have an opposition majority.

The president does not have the ability to introduce and influence legislation in the same way as say the British prime minister.

Congress has much greater control over the budget and foreign policy than the British Parliament.

There are broad areas of American life, such as education, crime and punishment, over which the president has virtually no influence at all.

The president even has very limited control over the economy.
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