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Old 06-30-2009, 09:33 PM   #1
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Default Those Nazis were pretty damn smart.

Luckily this never made it.

Nazi Stealth Jet Could Have Won War for Hitler - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:49 AM   #2
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Lemme gues. Without looking, Horten HO X. Supposedly test flown at least once.

Ok, HO 229. Same thing. I know there's a real one at Garber that's never been restored.

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"In an experiment to determine the stealth characteristics of the design, Northrop-Grumman built a full-size reproduction of the V3 incorporating a duplicate glue mixture in the nose section. After an expenditure of about US$250,000 and 2,500 man-hours Northrop's Ho-229 reproduction was tested at the company's classified radar cross-section (RCS) test range at Tejon, California, where it was placed on a 15-meter (50 ft) articulating pole and exposed to electromagnetic energy sources from various angles, duplicating the same three frequences used by the Chain Home radar network of the British in the early 1940s. RCS testing showed that an Ho 229 approaching the English Coast from France flying at 885 km/h (550 mph) at 15 - 30 meter (50 - 100 ft) above the water would not have been visible to Chain Home radar, while a Bf 109 or Fw 190 was visible up to 129 km (80 miles) away.[1]"

It's debateable how effective the HO 229 would have been, though. Ask the guys who flew the B-35 and B-49. The control technologies were not up to managing a large flying wing at high speeds. It took modern computer technology to make the B2 fly.
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:25 AM   #3
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A fancy plane would have made no difference. Hitler squandered the ME262 in bombing raids and would have used this plane in as ham handed a fashion as well. With millions of troops converging on Berlin a new plane wouldn't even have slowed those armies down.

It actually might have been beneficial. The Allies' strategic bombing campaigns were largely ineffective. Maybe a more effective German fighter would have encouraged the Allies to stop wasting so many men on pointless bombing raids.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:12 AM   #4
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NatGeo ran a program on this the other night. It was pretty impressive. It flew in dogfights against the ME262 and smoked it according to documents. They were also able to talk to the men responsible for it before they passed away. The big thing they showed was that it would been able to hinder the Brits radar just enough for them to get in and destroy the radar sites which definately could have turned the Battle of Britain. Another case of the Der Fuhrer being impatient.

The program is going to run again on the 5th of July at 1 PM eastern.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:45 AM   #5
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NatGeo ran a program on this the other night. It was pretty impressive. It flew in dogfights against the ME262 and smoked it according to documents. They were also able to talk to the men responsible for it before they passed away. The big thing they showed was that it would been able to hinder the Brits radar just enough for them to get in and destroy the radar sites which definately could have turned the Battle of Britain. Another case of the Der Fuhrer being impatient.

The program is going to run again on the 5th of July at 1 PM eastern.
That would have been difficult since the Battle of Britain happened several years before this plane was built.

Every few years there are these articles about how "Hitler would have won if". He wouldn't have. Like any psycho he would have balled it up no matter what resources he had. His idiocy at Stalingrad proved that. Wars aren't won by superior Generalship. They are lost through blundering. The Allies simply blundered less than the Germans and the Japanese.

Still, it is interesting to see how clever the Germans can be. They have conquered more of the world by selling cars and cameras than they ever did with Armies.
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That would have been difficult since the Battle of Britain happened several years before this plane was built.

Every few years there are these articles about how "Hitler would have won if". He wouldn't have. Like any psycho he would have balled it up no matter what resources he had. His idiocy at Stalingrad proved that. Wars aren't won by superior Generalship. They are lost through blundering. The Allies simply blundered less than the Germans and the Japanese.

Still, it is interesting to see how clever the Germans can be. They have conquered more of the world by selling cars and cameras than they ever did with Armies.
I realize the plane came after the fact but my point was that if Hitler hadn't rushed into war, which he did, he would have had a better shot with the weapons that were developed after the war had started. Then again no weapon short of an atomic device would have saved him from the mistake of opening up the eastern front.
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I think it was Northrup that made a flying wing in the '30s and '40s that flew quite well. Modern computers are not needed.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:48 AM   #8
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Ah, those crazy Nazis and their Meth!

"Here, schnorten dis powder-stupff, und den climben un der Bomben-aeroplanen und go killen der Allies! "
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I realize the plane came after the fact but my point was that if Hitler hadn't rushed into war, which he did, he would have had a better shot with the weapons that were developed after the war had started. Then again no weapon short of an atomic device would have saved him from the mistake of opening up the eastern front.
Got it. That's why the Allied Generals used to joke, "Thank God for Hitler."
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Northrop flying wing bombers

The public claim was that they couldn't safely control the plane; an issue resolved with modern electronic flight controls. However, my Air Force buddies at KSC told me that was BS; they realized they couldn't see the damn things on radar and wanted to quash the technology. They designed a passenger version with seats facing giant windows in the leading edge of the wing. What a *****in ride that would have been!
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