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Old 07-02-2009, 09:22 AM   #21
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I'm sure the loon will be sending corrective emails if we're "wrong."
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Old 07-02-2009, 09:25 AM   #22
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I'm sure the loon will be sending corrective emails if we're "wrong."
Isn't everyone here always wrong?
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Old 07-02-2009, 09:26 AM   #23
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well....(ahem)...gee bro.......
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Old 07-02-2009, 10:35 AM   #24
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Hi Guys,

Not to nit-pick...OK, I"m nip-picking, but while Hitler was still recovering in a military hospital right after the Armistice, the German General Staff--very much alive and intact--was planning for the next war. The "Heeresleitung", headed by General Hans von Seeckt, communicated with the new Soviet government, and traded military knowledge and arms for remote training camps in Russia.

Rather ironic, huh? The Stuka was actually developed and tested in Russia. (That worked out well for all concerned, didn't it!)

The thing is that Hitler was in the right place at the right time. Wounded pride in Germany was tangible, Russia feared the west and for a time would cooperate with the only western outcast: Germany. That gave Hitler time to mold his alliance of industrialists, monarchists and general idiots (Goering, for example) into a war machine.

Hitler was indeed responsible for losing the war that he could have won. For example, the initial mock-up of the ME-262 was delivered in the Fall of 1939. The first flight of the plane (using jet power) was in the Spring of 1942--think how the massed box formations of B17's and B24's would have fared against hundreds of 262's if they had been deployed two years earlier than they were.

Hitler could have won, but only by not being Hitler. He promised his Naval staff that they wouldn't have to fight Britain until 1945. Wrong. He took Goering's word that the "Zerstorer" class of aircraft--the Bf110, for example--could protect German bombers, and he refused development of a long-range strategic bomber ala B17 or Lancaster, so he couldn't reach Russian factories after they were moved beyond the Urals. Apparently he never understood the difference in a tactical and strategic air force--the Luftwaffe was a brilliant adjunct to the Wehrmacht, but totally outclassed as a strategic weapon.

Mainly, I think Hitler actually believed his own propaganda, always the ultimate blunder. A politician who could successfully bully other politicians, as a general he was terrible.

Makes a fascinating study, though....for whatever good that does...

Just keepin' the conversation going....
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Old 07-02-2009, 10:44 AM   #25
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Hitler did rush things. When he marched into the Rhineland the French could easily have smacked his little army down and hung the b@stard. But apparently with liberals in charge as usual in peace time no one really believed that Hitler meant what he'd been saying consistently for almost 20 years.

Sort of no one seems to believe that the Iranian leadership intends to rain nuclear fire down on Israel, The USA and Europe. Apparently cowards never twig on the stupidity of appeasement.

I guess all those Yalies at State are just so much smarter than the rest of us.
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Old 07-02-2009, 11:46 AM   #26
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We (the collective human "We") do seem to have a propensity for ignoring history when it would suggest that we have to take unpleasant action, don't we?

Sadly, the warts on the @ss of humanity--Iran, North Korea, various Islamic morons, et al, seem to have no problem fomenting conditions that put the burden of solving the situation on the rest of us.

I am certain of one thing,though. Israel will never permit Iran to have nukes. Ever. And I agree with them. Enough, already.
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"Sadly, the warts on the @ss of humanity--Iran, North Korea, various Islamic morons, et al, seem to have no problem fomenting conditions that put the burden of solving the situation on the rest of us."

Europe doesn't seem too burdened solving anything.......except for the burden of appearing and talking tough.
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:38 PM   #28
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"Sadly, the warts on the @ss of humanity--Iran, North Korea, various Islamic morons, et al, seem to have no problem fomenting conditions that put the burden of solving the situation on the rest of us."

Europe doesn't seem too burdened solving anything.......except for the burden of appearing and talking tough.
Are you telling me those stern rebukes coming out of the UN aren't effective?
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:24 AM   #29
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While we judge the French I think it's important to try to appreciate the national perspective. Take a look at the casualty list from WW1. Then look at the nations behavior. A corralary(sp?) can be noted with our post WW1/ South East Asia behavior. The most disappointing thing to me is that, and perhaps it's a stretch, is that we fail to learn from their experiences, again SE Asia and North Africa and the failure to recognize the difference between Arab nationalist and Islamic fundamentalists.

I'd love to stir the pot some more but I'm supposed to be packing and heading out ont the July 4th rain tour. Alexandria Bay then back to Central NY for ESMRA down in La Fayette.

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Old 07-03-2009, 07:33 AM   #30
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One thing Bush 1 did right was turn Desert Storm over the Schwartzkopf and let him run with it, only his asnine early halt prevented Sadam's ouster in '90 and would have saved countless iraqi lives and the thousands of killed and injured coalition troops in the second go round.
Of interest is the interview by the Evil Prince **** Deferment I think it was in May of 91 on the reasons why we didn't go to Baghdad. This interview has vanished from all of the conservative blogs and is now almost impossible to find. Talk about flip flops. I have a very clear recollection of this speech as on that day I was directing personnel on the proper use of diesel fuel, cut off 55 gallon drums and fire. Specialist, this is a **** burning barrel...

The Powell doctrine was great. Shineski was forced out because he wouldn't go to war using the "business model". Don't worry it's just the coffe talking. Too early for riesling.
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