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Old 05-14-2009, 06:58 AM   #1
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Old blowhard Obamlama cried for months about those poor detainees in Guantanamo, and now he wants to hold many of them 'indefinitely and without trial" in US prisons! Where are Reid and Pelosi now? Where is the Liberal outrage? Ken, you have to be livid about this. Obamalama is violating their civil rights and also violating the Geneva Convention! It is confirming my case that Obamalama is a war criminal. Dead civilians and now this. I guess old Bushie was right after all?? LOL it cracks me up!

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Old 05-14-2009, 07:44 AM   #2
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Livid, nah, I don't get that upset about madura I can't control. Dissappointed? Absofukinglutely. We have a justice system that was created by some really smart guys who were dealing with a tyranical oppressor. Tossing the Constitution out over some lame-ass terrorists is stupid. Bring them here and put them on trial in a Federal courtroom in New York or Washington. If they have a case and can convict them, send them off to the pen. If they don't have a case and can't convict them, drop them off in Saudi or Afghanistan or where else they may be from and be done with it.
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Old 05-14-2009, 07:54 AM   #3
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Livid, nah, I don't get that upset about madura I can't control. Dissappointed? Absofukinglutely. We have a justice system that was created by some really smart guys who were dealing with a tyranical oppressor. Tossing the Constitution out over some lame-ass terrorists is stupid. Bring them here and put them on trial in a Federal courtroom in New York or Washington. If they have a case and can convict them, send them off to the pen. If they don't have a case and can't convict them, drop them off in Saudi or Afghanistan or where else they may be from and be done with it.
You mind explaining what we would charge them with in Federal Court? They get indicted for what?

Remember, non-uniformed combatants can be legally shot on capture on the battlefield. We've already treated them humanely by not putting bullets in their brains.

We could have avoided this whole mess if we had done just that.
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Old 05-14-2009, 08:23 AM   #4
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Ken- these "suspects" need to be sent to military tribunals. They do not in any way qualify for rights given to US citizens. They acted as a militia not private citizens. As far as I'm concerned the ACLU has screwed every American out of justice for these wankers. If we had been able to send them to military trials in the first place this probably would be such a big issue. For some reason, however, the ACLU and many liberals believe that these scumbags should be afforded rights that are bistowed upon the citizens of our country. They aren't citizens and should be treated as the enemy. If the military can't convict them with evidence gathered then send them back to their country of birth or citizenship. But for the sake of all that's right and wrong with our court system, these dogs don't deserve the access to our justice system. It's that simple.
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:23 AM   #5
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I'm always amused by people who bring up the Geneva Convention with regard to these people. #1, the GC only applies between signatories. #2, the GC only protects legal combatants in uniform. Non-state actors bearing arms on the battlefield are subject to summary execution under the rules of war.
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:28 AM   #6
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Let's see - 100 days into the Obama Administration, with a Dem Congress, and we still have:

1) FISA
2) The Patriot Act
3) Gitmo and detainees
4) Airstrikes that allegedly kill civilians
5) "Enhanced interrogation" when deemed absolutely necessary (I guess the evil Bushies just did it for fun)
6) No prosecutions for "torture" (perhaps because the Dems all signed off on it)

So when is Obama going to get around to all that "change"? What's holding him back? Hell, the Repubs can't even filibuster now.
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If they don't have a case and can't convict them, drop them off in Saudi or Afghanistan or where else they may be from and be done with it.
That's called "rendition", and it's supposed to be evil.
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:32 AM   #8
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You forgot the new news link that Pelosi was 'duped' by the Bush administration, and 'didn't have time' to protest waterboarding because she was involved in a life and death struggle to wrest the reigns of power from the evil Republicans so that 'change' could take place. I wonder how the f*ck she sleeps at night after lying her ass off on this one.


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Old 05-14-2009, 11:25 AM   #9
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Hi Guys,

I think we've stumbled on the answer: "send them back to their country of birth or citizenship."

Easy, right? We'll load them into a bit ol' Air Force transport and fly them right back to their country of origin and drop 'em off.

Parachutes? Who said anything about parachutes......


Or, on a slightly more serious note, we could deposit them safely in their home country, and require a "parole' signed by that country, guaranteeing their behavior. Don't follow the rules, and we cut loose a drone with a little bit of a bomb over their home village. Might work, if only we had the intestinal fortitude to do it, and keep doing it.

Sigh. They aren't Americans, so the Constitution doesn't apply. They aren't smart enough to be in a recognized military organization, so the Geneva Convention is moot. I have no idea of how to deal with them, but I know that when I had a rat problem, I just called an exterminator, and that took care of that. I sure wish Teddy Roosevelt was President....
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Old 05-14-2009, 12:20 PM   #10
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Obama is getting hit in the face with the reality that governing is a whole lot different than campaigning. It is also another sign that this guy has no core convictions but I'm glad he did an about face on this one. It would have been bad for our men and women in uniform.

Franklin Roosevelt executed german saboteurs caught in the US. If it was good enough for FDR and the US then, it should be good enough for us now.
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