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Kenneth_Moore 02-27-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 205873)
I've yet to see explanations for releasing the USS Cole terrorists and giving a billion dollars to Hamas. Knuckling under to Russia in Kyrgystan. Congratulating Hugo Chavez for taking permanent dictatorship of Venezuela.

And I have yet to see an explanation as to why the NSA is spying on EVERY EMAIL SENT, EVERY PHONE CALL MADE, EVERY WEBSITE BROWSED. I have yet to see an explanation as to why we invaded Iraq. I have yet to see why we tossed aside the Geneva Convention and tortured prisoners. I have yet to see an explanation as to what happened to the billions of dollars that disappeared in the first "bailout."

BrowningBAR 02-27-2009 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 205874)
Look, this site has thread after thread putting Obama somewhere between Satan and the Anti-Christ.

Is there any chance you saw the The Daily Show when they interviewd people that thought Obama could be the Anti-Christ or Hitler?

sarnali2 02-27-2009 03:16 PM

Of course he's the anti-christ. He came out of nowhere all slick and polished pouring kool-aide for everyone and the masses fell all overthemselves to 'mooch his butt.

Now he's in there under the guise of trying to unravel the mess he inherited kicking over sacred cows and rewarding his followers while fleecing the last bits of silver from the great unwashed.......Why Nostrodamus himself predicted this guy's coming.

I'm sure the tub thumpers and snake charmers are in a frenzy by now packin' their sh*t for the resurection.

acecycleins 02-27-2009 03:22 PM

PresBO as a person is probably a pretty cool guy. The type of guy you would go to the ball game with and throw down beers. But his perception of the position of government in our daily lives does not run in a direction I want to go. His intent to help via government intervention isn't how our government is supposed to work. Not that the last 6 Presidents have helped any, but Bill was conservative in comparison and Kennedy was down right Ragan before Ragan.
Our financial markets caved to pressures from outside groups to make loans that 15ys ago would have been unheard of. The only way to correct that is to let the banks fail. Let the people be foreclosed on and return those sectors of people back to where they belong. As renters. The "greedy" crap that is spewed is a joke when you look at the lies these people facilitated in obtaining the loans. Most of the buyers that are in trouble are the very people that should have never qualified for the loans in the first place.
Sorry for the kids of these stupid parents, but that's why apartments and rental property exsist. It not anybody's job to pay for another's mistakes or lapses in judgement.

mscuddy 02-27-2009 05:33 PM

Cut 'n Paste from Fox News....
 
Cognitive Dissonance – def. The state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes.

President Obama’s Defense Budget - def. The inconsistent belief that we can end the Iraq War, win the Afghanistan War, increase the size of the Army and Marines, raise pay and benefits to the troops and cut defense spending.

President Obama’s Iraq Policy – def. The inconsistent attitude that everything about President Bush’s Iraq policy was wrong, but we are now able to withdraw, and leave behind a self-sustaining democracy in the heart of the Arab Middle East.

President Obama’s address to Congress was one of the most brilliant pieces of oratory in a generation. But the parts dealing with Pentagon spending and our withdrawal from Iraq are at odds with reality. Quite simply, the words and the deeds don’t match up.

Obama promises cuts in defense spending. Without getting specific, he claims we will save money by withdrawing from Iraq and eliminating new weapons systems. That’s true. It won’t give him a lot of savings, certainly not enough to help plug the budget gap, but it will help. But what he’s not telling you about is the additional spending required to do the other things he mentions. Let’s break it down.

There is only one way Obama can cut defense spending –- by pulling out of Afghanistan. If he does, it will mean the only military success he has to crow about is Iraq –- Bush’s War. Because even though Iraq has cost us far too much in lives and treasure, we leave behind a self-sustaining democracy in the heart of the Middle East. Not because of Obama, but because Bush’s Surge Strategy succeeded. Oops.

First, our Marine and Army units are seriously depleted after seven years of war. Most of their equipment is worn out and needs retooling, repairing and replacing. He might choose not to make those units “whole”, but not if he plans to divert some of them to Afghanistan this spring. So far he’s talked about sending in 17,000 troops, perhaps to be followed by more. They need to go in with equipment and spare parts. That will add to defense spending.
Second, Obama plans to add 100,000 troops to the Army and Marines. That’s 100,000 additional men and women who will need training and equipment. That will add to defense spending.

Third, as we ramp up in Afghanistan we can expect, sadly, an increase in casualties. As we saw with the surge in Iraq, things got worse before they got better. Increased casualties are not only tragic, but providing them with adequate care and benefits is expensive. That will add to defense spending.

And those are just direct military costs. There will be additional spending needed to pay for Obama’s ‘soft power’ plans. In that part of the world, money talks. General Petraeus has indicated we will push for a Sunni Awakening-type effort with the Afghan tribes. That it will require additional monies and outlays to the tribal leaders to pay for their militias, and regional reconstruction programs.
So, in fact, Obama will have to increase defense spending, not cut it, if he plans to ramp up in Afghanistan.

There is only one way Obama can cut defense spending –- by pulling out of Afghanistan. If he does, it will mean the only military success he has to crow about is Iraq –- Bush’s War. Because even though Iraq has cost us far too much in lives and treasure, we leave behind a self-sustaining democracy in the heart of the Middle East. Not because of Obama, but because Bush’s Surge Strategy succeeded. Oops.

Sorry, Mr. President, you can’t have it all.

PS: By the way, Mr. President. Your pledge to cut ‘unnecessary’ weapons systems is probably a good idea, but it will cost American jobs.

mscuddy 02-27-2009 06:15 PM

Like to see tham take this away from the Colonel
 
SEE COLONELCSA

sfcdjevans 02-27-2009 09:11 PM

It's just an opinion, relax
 
Through history spending on war has brought down many a nation state.
America's paradigm is to disparate to find a solution in SW and Central Asia.
A surge by definition is a temporary thing. Grudges are more permanent.
Alexander the Great pulled out of Afghanistan.
OEF was strategicly blundered. OIF was a dilution of combat power and purpose.
Shineski was right, Zunni was right and even Cheney was right in 1991.
Cutting the F-22 is a fools play. Air power will be decisive in the "important war".
Does no one read Sun Tsu...

longride 02-28-2009 05:26 AM

"There is only one way Obama can cut defense spending –- by pulling out of Afghanistan. If he does, it will mean the only military success he has to crow about is Iraq –- Bush’s War. Because even though Iraq has cost us far too much in lives and treasure, we leave behind a self-sustaining democracy in the heart of the Middle East. Not because of Obama, but because Bush’s Surge Strategy succeeded. Oops."

Cuddy, you read my mind. The only reason an Iraq pullout is possible is that we won. Yes Kenny, we won in Iraq. The first win since WWII. George Bush's war. The Dems can't stand it, and won't admit it. Compare the Vietnam pullout to this one and the difference is night and day: the difference between a win and a loss.

seruzawa 02-28-2009 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 205875)
And I have yet to see an explanation as to why the NSA is spying on EVERY EMAIL SENT, EVERY PHONE CALL MADE, EVERY WEBSITE BROWSED. I have yet to see an explanation as to why we invaded Iraq. I have yet to see why we tossed aside the Geneva Convention and tortured prisoners. I have yet to see an explanation as to what happened to the billions of dollars that disappeared in the first "bailout."

Yeah. Two wrongs make a right.

We aren't talking about Bush. Bush is history. We are talking about Obama.

None of the laws that enable your complaints about Bush are being repealed = Democrat hypocrisy.

Obamalama:
Releases terrorists.
Gives "State of the Union" speech that says one thing while actually doing another.
Spent 2 decades listening to hate America sermons.
Disciple of "Destroy Amerikkka" terrorist Bill Ayers.
Nationalizes banks.

Etc etc.

Ever heard of "magical thinking"? There is no magical plan to make Zero's promises happen. His history proves he intends to bring free enterprise crashing down and replace it with totalitarian socialism. He is engaging on war on the middle class using class warfare to pretend it's war on the rich.

What's the Kool-aid flavor?

But, I'll be nice and give good advice anyhow.

Buy Food. Buy gold. Buy guns. You'll need them.

Kenneth_Moore 02-28-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by longride (Post 205927)
The only reason an Iraq pullout is possible is that we won. Yes Kenny, we won in Iraq. The first win since WWII.

Saying "we won" in Iraq is like giving a medal to an arsonist for putting out the fire he started. And you have to sort of gloss over the charred remains of the dead people in the ashes.


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