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Old 02-26-2009, 07:29 AM   #11
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Default We need to be concerned.

We need to be concerned Gentlemen. Is there anyone out there that will get us back to honoring the Constitution? New speak at its finest.

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Old 02-26-2009, 09:01 AM   #12
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We need to be concerned Gentlemen. Is there anyone out there that get us back to honoring the Constitution? New speak at its finest.
Were you concerned about the Constitution when your right to privacy was tossed out the window? When the illegal wiretaps and email/browsing spying was started up? When the secret prisons and torture of prisoners was being rolled out? Did you think the Founding Fathers would have said "these inalienable rights (except if some Arabs fly a plane into a building)?"
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:23 AM   #13
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Were you concerned about the Constitution when your right to privacy was tossed out the window? When the illegal wiretaps and email/browsing spying was started up? When the secret prisons and torture of prisoners was being rolled out? Did you think the Founding Fathers would have said "these inalienable rights (except if some Arabs fly a plane into a building)?"
Yes I was.

Though the torture and secret prisons did not start with the last administration.

We still have to deal with bullsh!t and lies. The only difference is that it is DIFFERENT bullsh!t and lies. That doesn't make it better. It actually makes it worse as we continue to get the short end of the stick.

And now, with all of this economic crap happening, they want to restrict firearms?! F**k him.

I blame everyone that votes for Republicans and Democrats.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:37 AM   #14
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Were you concerned about the Constitution when your right to privacy was tossed out the window? When the illegal wiretaps and email/browsing spying was started up? When the secret prisons and torture of prisoners was being rolled out? Did you think the Founding Fathers would have said "these inalienable rights (except if some Arabs fly a plane into a building)?"

Ken- as evil as W was to the libs let me tell you the following. Suspended constitutional rights vs the elimination of those rights are quite different. The illegal wiretaps that were done we directed at KNOWN phone numbers associated with KNOW terrorist baddies. If you really think that the Fed has all the time in the world to spy on your average Joe Citizen you're mistaken. Every call that made the list originated from another country or was directed out of this country first. I know this because I have two Homeland guys as customers and they are always in Langley running tape and preparing docs for the Fed. As for secret prisons- I will wager steaks that this practice has been going on since the Civil War. Hasn't ever been a problem until W. Suddenly, we're supposed to have a moral center for murdering bastards? I think not.
Inalienable rights APPLY TO CITIZENS. It doesn't apply to non-citizens that are accused of terrorist acts. If it were one nation that we were fighting and they could be held as POWs and tried in military court would that ease your mind? Probably not, but we're left in a conundrum aren't we? We are fighting an idealog religion that means us (all of us) harm. Because it's not a country this makes for sticky politics. Nonetheless, they must be treated as enemies of the State. How the courts work that out is up to them.
The problem is that PresBO believes that these are civil matters not military. If we afford the baddies the same rights as we do our citizens then ANY baddies that come to do us harm will exploit our courts for their benefit. That's unacceptable.
Furthermore, how does a man that's such a genius, according to the Libs, let mistakes happen in his speeches? He proofs these things. You'd think that the man that is leading us to the future would have a sense of his past. I'm not saying he has to be prefect. He's not gonna be. But at least be accurate. He's selling a bill of goods that makes W's past look like a day at the spa. What's fundamentally changing with our capitalist system will forever harm our future. That, too, is unacceptable.

But you're still the coolest FL customer I have. Hope your weekend is fun.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:45 AM   #15
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Were you concerned about the Constitution when your right to privacy was tossed out the window? When the illegal wiretaps and email/browsing spying was started up? When the secret prisons and torture of prisoners was being rolled out? Did you think the Founding Fathers would have said "these inalienable rights (except if some Arabs fly a plane into a building)?"
The Patriot Act was introduced by a Democrat. Spare me. Socialism is a type of tyranny in the first place. Democrats can just shut up about defending rights. No one with half a brain buys it.

BTW, where is that initiative by The One to repeal the Patriot Act? Thyere isn't one. Liberal hypocrite. A stealth jihadi in the White Hiouse.He's too busy demanding an "assault weapon" ban. That in itself is another outright lie. True assault weapons have always been severely restricted because they are classified as machine guns.
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:44 AM   #16
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Inalienable rights APPLY TO HUMAN BEINGS. It doesn't apply to inhuman beings that are guilty of terrorist acts.
There, fixed that'n for ya'.
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There, fixed that'n for ya'.
You only have to be accused. It's up to military or civil/criminal courts to decide guilt. If you are not a citizen of this country your "rights" are, in fact, limited already. In order to be afforded Constitutional Rights one must be a citizen. If you are illegally here those rights are forfeited. If the courts choose to afford those rights to an "illegal" or non-citizen defendent then the issue changes. But that's left to the trial process. Until then one must only be accused to meet the criteria.

Or something relitively close to that. Mind you, I only play a lawyer on TV.
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Old 02-26-2009, 03:59 PM   #18
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Were you concerned about the Constitution when your right to privacy was tossed out the window? When the illegal wiretaps and email/browsing spying was started up? When the secret prisons and torture of prisoners was being rolled out? Did you think the Founding Fathers would have said "these inalienable rights (except if some Arabs fly a plane into a building)?"

What flavor of liberal Kool Aid are you drinking my friend.Obama's gaff reflects the fact they think we will believe anything they say. Government is the problem. I have always been concerned about the people in Government following the Constitution. The current administration borders on Fascist. If we are not careful they will try to take everything from us. I have to question Obama's acumen when all he does is speak in platitudes meaning no substance in what he says. Secret wiretaps, prisons and torture my ass.

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