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Old 02-10-2009, 02:00 PM   #11
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Our health system is f'd, and anybody who doesn't think so hasn't tried to use it. I broke my arm a couple of years ago, a clean, simple break. Got a cast at the emergency room, 1 Dr. visit to xray and replace the cast, 1 Dr. visit to remove the cast. Total cost? $28,950. I got bills from no less than 8 different companies, 5 companies who billed me for stuff from the 4 hour hospital visit, and 2 from the Dr.'s office.

I won't pretend to know what the right answer is, but it doesn't take a genius to see that the system is screwed up and needs to be fixed.
That's called cost shifting Ken. Docs and hospitals make no profit on Medicaid Medicare and all the illegals that walk in and out for free. You walk in with good insurance and bam! you just paid for all of them.

Keep in mind, when we go to a socialist system there will be fewer doctors. There will be no financial incentive for a person to go through all that training to make peanuts.

Remember the terrorist bust in London? Some of those were Drs that had to be imported from terrorist nations due to a shortage of Drs in the UK.

Getting the gov't the hell out of the healthcare business would restore some rationality to the system. We could shoot all the attorneys too.
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:35 PM   #12
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I've got Kaiser, and thank ghod for that, because all the medical bills after getting squashed by that SUV totaled over $200,000.00. County USC charged Kaiser $105,000.00 for a three week stay, and Rehab charged them another $95,000.00 for one month in pee and poop 101. My total out of pocket was $2,500.00, the max co-pay Kaiser has for one year.

Kaiser may get a bad rap for inept overworked doctors, but there are a few good ones, you just have to sift through the idiots to find 'em.
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:07 PM   #13
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We hear about all sorts of businesses going under and cutting back. Anyone heard about any insurance companies going under? Thought so. Anyone see where the problem is? Good.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:07 PM   #14
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I have Group Health, cost me $90. a month. I get next day appointments for me and my kids, $10. co-pay on all procedures and $50. Emergency room visits. It's one of those Union won benefits, you know, from the greedy Unions that are causing all these problems....
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:15 PM   #15
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I have Group Health, cost me $90. a month. I get next day appointments for me and my kids, $10. co-pay on all procedures and $50. Emergency room visits. It's one of those Union won benefits, you know, from the greedy Unions that are causing all these problems....
It's costing your employer a small fortune though. Sooner or later, somethings gotta give.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:30 PM   #16
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The best health care in my region in not a public company. Benefits are fantastic, costs are low, employees reputed to be happy and no stock holders. Too bad I'm a couple counties too far away.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:19 PM   #17
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We hear about all sorts of businesses going under and cutting back. Anyone heard about any insurance companies going under? Thought so. Anyone see where the problem is? Good.
Damn right. The insurance system adds no value whatsoever and creates an enormous overhead expense. I believe the number is 25% of the cost of US healthcare is insurance company overhead.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:24 PM   #18
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Speaking of being screwed, Florida's Home Owners Insurance seems to be a pretty nice scam, also.
Yeah, can you believe people wanted money to fix their houses after the hurricanes?

Here's a riot: two years in a row we went without electricity for two weeks after hurricanes. Florida Power and Light got the State Legislature to force us to pay our average bill for the time we didn't have power. Apparently the electricity monopoly just couldn't afford to lose the revenue...

I wonder if I stopped using the phone if BellSouth would get a law forcing me to pay my average phone bill.
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It's costing your employer a small fortune though. Sooner or later, somethings gotta give.
Govt "helps" with college tuition. Now you have tens of thousands of idiots with junk degrees like psychology and journalism who owe tens of thousands of dollars that they have to pay off while selling fries.

Govt "helps" elderly people with medicare. Medical costs skyrocket.

Govt "helps" the economy by regulating the financial industry.

And now the newest pres says that only the govt can fix the current economic troubles, even though the govt has NEVER fixed the economy.


Do you see a pattern here? You have to wonder about people who run to the govt all the time. Must be a religious superstition.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:05 PM   #20
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There's a private-owned healthcare-clinic here, you can either make an appointment or walk-in off the street (with a reasonable wait), costs like $30 copay. A little more than $100 if you've got no Insurance. I saw one of the Docs for a stone, he referred me to a Urologist who arranged for tests, then a Lithotripsy right away.

A few months ago, I got a piece of steel in my eye (actually two). Instead of a $1000 (my outlay - Insurance pays more) Emergency Room visit, I took a chance and called my Optometrist - took care of the whole thing in his Office, $58.

Lately, it seems every Doc I meet gives me his card and is like "you've got an 'Urgency' in my field - don't go to the Emergency Room - call me. I'll fix it".

Some Doctors seem to actually have a clue as to what's going-on in the world today. Some don't though.
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