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Old 04-15-2001, 03:52 AM   #11
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Default Re: Rossi average??? Are you on crack!

Take out doohan and burgess....uhh excuse me but how do you explain his 125 and 250 titles??? Both of which were won without the 2 gentleman mentioned above. They are without a doubt invaluable to him, but come on.....average??
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Old 04-15-2001, 03:57 AM   #12
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Criville...is as good as retired since he no longer has Doohan around to get setup info on. That has been very obvious...has he even finished in the top

5 in the last 2 yrs?

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Old 04-15-2001, 01:01 PM   #13
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Quit wondering and look in the mirror. Roberts won his championship with average performances based on consistency. He will be relegated to 10th place this year where he belongs.



The real contenders had off years last year. Rossi was new, Biaggi couldn't support the weight of his ego, McCoy didn't get the support he needed.



All these guys have accomplished much it their racing, multiple championships, and demonstrated their outrageous talent. Roberts got lucky with help from his family, and a Suzuki team that gave him superior handling equipment in a year when Honda somehow dropped the ball with the switch to unleaded fuel.



Roberts is talented, but not repeat World Champ material.
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Old 04-15-2001, 10:05 PM   #14
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Yes,it looks like Suzuki have gone backwards especially

compared to all those Yamahas out there.Suzuki don't even get the number

of S.A. GPs correct,this is actually the seventh.There were three at the old Kyalami,one at the new Kyalami( newer?) and this will be the third at Phakisa
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Old 04-16-2001, 06:23 AM   #15
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I can't believe all the people trashing Roberts. It's been 1 race and you guys are counting him out already.



Sure Rossi is good and with the support he has he should be a contender like last year. Biaggi as well if he can stay healthy this year.



Roberts is off to a slow start but to count him out for the entire year after just one race is foolish. Let's not forget the ugly highside he suffered from a stuck throttle. If my memory serves me correctly he was leading and pulling away from the field. I won't say he would have won but surely the odds were on his side. Also he chunked a tire and fell way back while WAY out in front. Once again anything could have happened but had he not crashed nobody was going to catch him. Still he pulled off a handful of wins and was consistant enough to hold off Rossi and win the championship. When riders run into bad fortue like that and still win the championship they are lucky. It is the consistancy that wins the championships.



At any rate I think anyone that counts Roberts out at this early stage of the game is crazy. Though I do agree he will have a tough time at it this year with Rossi and a healthy Biaggi. Only time will tell.
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Old 04-16-2001, 12:20 PM   #16
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Regardless of what you think, he is World Champ material, he won the championship. Oh wait, you mean "repeat world champ". Well regardless, all this "what if" crap is nonsense. What if Biaggi and Rossi (Doohan for that matter) were on Suzukis, could they win the title? Roberts won on a bike which was not superior to the others. He won with skill and consistency. That's what it takes. Winning a few races and crashing out of the rest does not win championships.



I don't debate that Rossi is a great rider, and may in fact win the championship. But why should that take away from Roberts accomplishment in 2000? Rossi is still not even single time 500GP champ, so he's done less in that class than Roberts.
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Old 04-16-2001, 04:11 PM   #17
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Perhaps you are right. He has one more championship than I do. I don't think the Suzuki is as bad as most people think. It won the championship didn't it (your argument)?



My opinion on Roberts is based on his failure to get results when the bike isn't right. His dad did. Doohan did. Eddie, Max...Most champions can. He is still young. I think that last years championship was the worst in memmory, as most races were fairly boring.



Most of my opinion is based on his complaining that he couldn't go out and blast everyone because of his championship position. Then he said he was going to go out and kick butt in the last races, but he came up short.



Time will tell, and it's only my opinion. Rossi has world championships in two classes, and finds ways to win. That is what will make him champ again, instead of whining about his bike.
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Old 04-16-2001, 04:19 PM   #18
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If Roberts grabs the Suzuki by the balls and starts winning, I'll eat my words. I, and I can only speak for myself, am not counting Robers out due to one race. He won the championship last year with consistent finishes, and it certainly worked for him. I still root for the hare, though, not the tortoise.



Winning races is what makes a championship in my mind. Coming in consistently in the top five may garner the title, but it also comes with the ho-hum legacy that he has, though he is still young. We'll see if he can do it again.
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