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Old 11-12-2005, 07:05 PM   #11
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Default Re: Valentino Rossi tests for Ferrari F1 team again.

I really HATE NASCAR, but I even know it's not called Winston Cup anymore.



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Old 11-12-2005, 07:11 PM   #12
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Default Re: Valentino Rossi tests for Ferrari F1 team again.

"Neither one of them has much competittion in their respective fields right now..."?? You must not have noticed that Michael finished behind Raikkonen and Alonso and had fewer than half the points. Rossi won the championship handily but twice he finished behind Hayden and Melandri.



The best thing about Rossi going to F1 would be to see someone send up the stuffed shirts there. They seem to take themselves sooo seriously.
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:49 PM   #13
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Well, you know, he wouldn't be the first 2-wheel champ to transition successfully to 4. Can you name at least 2 others?
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:03 PM   #14
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Default Re: Valentino Rossi tests for Ferrari F1 team again.

John Surtees and Mike Hailwood. Wayne Gardner make a transition to touring cars for a while too. Any others?
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:08 PM   #15
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The greatest? Ridiculous. He is extremely good but if you knew anything about the history of motorcycle racing you would not say that. There have been many exceptional riders. To mention only a few: Geoff Duke, John Surtees, Mike Hailwood, Giacomo Agostini, Barry Sheene, etc. ThatÂ’s without even going into the more recent greats. Rossi is amongst this elite group but to call him (or one any of them) the greatest is wrong.
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Old 11-12-2005, 10:16 PM   #16
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The greatest driver of all time is (as anyone with half a clue knows already):



Juan-Manuel Fangio!
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Old 11-12-2005, 10:49 PM   #17
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Jeff Ward was fairly succesful. Then when he returned to bikes, he won an AMA title. Has anyone else done that? Left bikes having won titles, went to cars, returned to bikes a champion...
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:21 AM   #18
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Didn't John Surtees start on bikes?

I think Agostini raced cars as well.

Of course, Fast Eddie and Wayne Rainey are ripping up shifter kart lap times as we speak...
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Old 11-13-2005, 11:41 AM   #19
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"Greatest" is hard to define - most championships, fastest laps, brilliance of career, fastest in the wet, etc. etc.



I think that there's a certain level at which judgments such as "best" end up being purely subjective. I personally think that Senna was the most brilliant, the fastest at any given moment, and there's evidence to support that position. But there's just as much evidence supporting Fangio, Schumacher, Prost and a host of others.



But what about the guys who drove the brutish CanAm cars? It's hard to argue with the results posted by Mark Donohue, a brilliant driver and engineer, in a strange, almost completely unlimited series that was faster than F1 at the time, possibly by a lot. And the endurance drivers merit mention as well (Derek Bell, for example).



I personally don't believe that anyone could coax a car into outperforming itself like Senna (witness his performance at one of the Monaco races where be blew everyone out of the water, including a brilliant Prost drive, with a qualification differential so extreme that it boggles the imagination, or his results early in his career in inferior cars).



So I don't think that "best" can be so blithely assigned. "Among the best" is a safer proposition.
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:50 PM   #20
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Why would Schumacher have to start looking over his shoulder? He was pretty distant third this year. Rather he should start looking forward (with binoculars). Here is how the championship points went 2005:



1. Alonso 133

2. Raikkonen 112

3. Schumacher 62



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