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BadCop · 03-01-2003, 01:00 PM

That was a good one Bob!

You're spot on in your suspicions of Japanese innovation. Of course the Japanese are copying HD for there dual shocks and flexy frames. You see, it's just like the proverbial broken clock....it's always correct twice a day! By doing nothing, HD has been rewarded and vindicated for their superior design, it just took the Japanese, Italians, and everyone else 20 years to realize the error of their ways. In another 20 years, the venerable pushrod will be hailed as the next revolution in racing technology, HD simply has to hold tight until then.

v2-90 · 03-01-2003, 04:33 PM

ROFLMAO!!!

So, in 40 years, valves will be back in the cylinder (iron ones of course), we'll switch to more efficient 6V charging systems, and also realize the full performance potential of mechanical vs. digital ignition systems.

Oh yeah, tubes in tires will be found to help balance rotating inertia abnormalities...

Classic.

BadCop · 03-01-2003, 05:02 PM

When will the Japanese and Italians ever learn (from HD).....as the saying goes "they just don't build things like they used to".

banda · 03-01-2003, 06:05 PM

Make fun if the Edge family all you want, but they get invited to major product introductions while you sit at home, waiting for the snow to clear enough so you can clean the oil spots in your car port.

Nem · 03-01-2003, 06:07 PM

nice typo, dork edge.

v2-90 · 03-01-2003, 06:32 PM

Maybe "they" get invited to things, but as for sitting at home, waiting for the snow to clear...

Gee - went riding today, temp was around 70F, same for tomorrow (maybe a tad warmer). Going riding tomorrow too - of course before I do, I'll check my driveway as you request and look for any oil spots. Oh wait - the bikes are in the garage and oh yeah, they don't leak either.

Hmmm, you were saying???

Grappelli · 03-01-2003, 06:44 PM

I've got the time written on this piece of paper...

pbx · 03-01-2003, 08:02 PM

<blockquote>"...the twin shock layout is a concept being developed jointly with their subsidiary Ã–hlins and is intended to better permit controlled chassis flex..."</blockquote>

It's not really clear, to me anyway, from the information Yamaha has posted that the twin-shock arrangement is directly related to frame flex. They do say that using twin shocks gives them freedom to play with the rear swingarm and its relation to the "experimental," flexible version of the Deltabox chassis they are using.

I'm pretty sure that within the last year or so Kevin Cameron (in his Cycle World column) said something to the effect that twin shocks would eventually come back into favor. Anybody got a cite for that?

maynard · 03-02-2003, 03:07 AM

I believe what appear to be damping rods are part of the frame flex data aquisition system

Buzglyd · 03-02-2003, 03:40 AM

Yamaha is also testing a Wide Glide front end with 34 degrees of rake to improve straight line stablity.

The forward controls also really allow the rider to stretch out during those long races.

03-01-2003, 01:00 PM	#1
BadCop Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 32	Re: Back to the Future? That was a good one Bob! You're spot on in your suspicions of Japanese innovation. Of course the Japanese are copying HD for there dual shocks and flexy frames. You see, it's just like the proverbial broken clock....it's always correct twice a day! By doing nothing, HD has been rewarded and vindicated for their superior design, it just took the Japanese, Italians, and everyone else 20 years to realize the error of their ways. In another 20 years, the venerable pushrod will be hailed as the next revolution in racing technology, HD simply has to hold tight until then.

03-01-2003, 04:33 PM	#2
v2-90 Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 73	Re: Back to the Future? ROFLMAO!!! So, in 40 years, valves will be back in the cylinder (iron ones of course), we'll switch to more efficient 6V charging systems, and also realize the full performance potential of mechanical vs. digital ignition systems. Oh yeah, tubes in tires will be found to help balance rotating inertia abnormalities... Classic. __________________ -------------------------------- v2-90 powered by a Pantah...

03-01-2003, 05:02 PM	#3
BadCop Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 32	Re: Back to the Future? When will the Japanese and Italians ever learn (from HD).....as the saying goes "they just don't build things like they used to".

03-01-2003, 06:05 PM	#4
banda Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 230	Re: Back to the Future? Make fun if the Edge family all you want, but they get invited to major product introductions while you sit at home, waiting for the snow to clear enough so you can clean the oil spots in your car port.

03-01-2003, 06:07 PM	#5
Nem Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 69	Re: Back to the Future? nice typo, dork edge.

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03-01-2003, 06:32 PM	#6
v2-90 Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 73	Re: Back to the Future? Maybe "they" get invited to things, but as for sitting at home, waiting for the snow to clear... Gee - went riding today, temp was around 70F, same for tomorrow (maybe a tad warmer). Going riding tomorrow too - of course before I do, I'll check my driveway as you request and look for any oil spots. Oh wait - the bikes are in the garage and oh yeah, they don't leak either. Hmmm, you were saying??? __________________ -------------------------------- v2-90 powered by a Pantah...

03-01-2003, 06:44 PM	#7
Grappelli Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 203	Re: Back to the Future? I've got the time written on this piece of paper...

03-01-2003, 08:02 PM	#8
pbx Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 36	More than one reason for doing this <blockquote>"...the twin shock layout is a concept being developed jointly with their subsidiary Ã–hlins and is intended to better permit controlled chassis flex..."</blockquote> It's not really clear, to me anyway, from the information Yamaha has posted that the twin-shock arrangement is directly related to frame flex. They do say that using twin shocks gives them freedom to play with the rear swingarm and its relation to the "experimental," flexible version of the Deltabox chassis they are using. I'm pretty sure that within the last year or so Kevin Cameron (in his Cycle World column) said something to the effect that twin shocks would eventually come back into favor. Anybody got a cite for that?

03-02-2003, 03:07 AM	#9
maynard Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 19	Re: Back to the Future? I believe what appear to be damping rods are part of the frame flex data aquisition system

03-02-2003, 03:40 AM	#10
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	What they didn't mention Yamaha is also testing a Wide Glide front end with 34 degrees of rake to improve straight line stablity. The forward controls also really allow the rider to stretch out during those long races. __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."