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GREAT visual aid! Thanks much.
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Cool. Now I know why my 52 degree Honda is so smooth.
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You forgot to illustrate the 360* vertical twin, that paragon of 4 stroke design from the drawing board of St. Edwin Turner
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Very interesting, makes more sense now why Harley's "sound" a certain way. (Although I don't like it)
Also seems like a very inefficent engine design though. I much enjoyed my R1200RT test ride, very smooth motorcycle.
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That was a hot little engine in 1936! It worked great through the 60s and even made Yamaha copy it.
I still like 'em. I'll never forget the first time I pulled the head off my Triumph Tiger, pushed the kick starter through and saw the pistons come up together. I was sure something broke in the bottom end. Years later, I learned about the concept of the twingle - a twin piston single engine and realized it was the natural evolution of the torquey singles of the thirties. Firing at 360 degree intervals was like mating two singles side-by side. It made for easy starting, had less mass and took less space than a V-twin and could be balanced to be smoother running. It was the perfect engine for light duty transportation before the car came along. |
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There is a legend that says Harley's design is the result of some incorrect calculations. I don't know if its true, but it feels like it.
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You need to include the firing order along with crankshaft and cylinder angle to define the sound. Then there's all the other factors, valve timing, exhaust header size, muffling, etc.
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It's there, just scroll to the bottom. 0-deg crank, 0-deg cyl angle
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Those were great kinetic schematics. It does make one wonder why V-twins still exist. They are big with overhead valves and especially with overhead cams, vibrate without couterbalancing or rubber mounting, and don't cool well in-line. And all those different designs show you why they basically are not a good design. But, they sure are fun!!
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I hate to take the grief for this, but HDs "sound" has always sounded more like explosive diarrhea.
Not a pleasant sound |
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