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Old 06-25-2008, 04:39 AM   #1
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Default Utah Motorcyce Law Changes (!!)

Would Mr. Seruzawa please pick up the white courtesy phone?

The most interesting change is this:
"Another change for everyone: You can only drive a motorcycle or scooter with an engine as big as, or smaller than, the one you took your test on at the Division of Motor Vehicles."

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Source: ksl.com - Motorcycle, scooter laws changing

Motorcycle, scooter laws changing
June 24th, 2008 @ 9:57pm
By Randall Jeppesen and Sarah Dallof

Every nine hours in Utah, there's a motorcycle crash, according to the Utah Department of Public Safety. That statistic is illustrated by a number of dangerous and deadly motorcycle crashes in the past few weeks.

While there are a number of motorcyclists on the road wearing the right gear and following the law, there seem to be more cases coming to light with riders putting themselves and others in serious danger.

Three-year-old Dylan Stroud is slowly getting settled back at home. His mom, Carrie, said, "I guarantee you he could have been killed. It was very dangerous, very scary."

Sunday night, two motorcycles were speeding down the family's Herriman street when they lost control, hitting Dylan and a crowd of people at a block party. Today, Dylan's dad spoke with investigators about the teenage drivers. He said, "They've told us they were intoxicated."

Earlier that same day, a motorist took cell phone pictures on I-15 near Salt Lake, showing, what he says, were motorcyclists taking over all lanes of traffic, allowing friends to speed ahead and do tricks.

Utah Highway Patrol trooper Cameron Roden said, "We have gotten calls in the past, not just in this situation, but in several where people are out there popping wheelies on the freeway."

In Washington a news crew shot video of motorbike riders doing just that. And last year, an I-Team investigation shot video in the Salt Lake valley of a rider driving recklessly. UHP Troopers say this kind of behavior can net you a costly reckless driving ticket.

Starting in July, laws will become stricter for riders under 19 years old. If you're under 19 and want to drive a scooter or motorcycle, you'll have to get a two-month learners' permit before you get an endorsement on your license.

A motorcyclist we talked to said it makes sense to him. "People have to learn how to ride the bikes, you know," he said.

Another change for everyone: You can only drive a motorcycle or scooter with an engine as big as, or smaller than, the one you took your test on at the Division of Motor Vehicles.

A scooter driver in Provo says that's fine with him. He doesn't need a bigger bike. "I actually live in Spanish Fork, so I go to and from Spanish Fork all the time," he said.

These new biker laws take effect July 1.

But for motorcycle instructor Rob Nolan, who appeared on 'Talking Point' tonight, the key isn't necessarily new rules but better education.

Nolan says, "Sometimes laws that stipulate situations aren't going to fix what's behind our ears and what's underneath the helmet."

One of Nolan's big pushes is for the right safety gear. The majority of those involved in fatal motorcycle crashes were not wearing helmets, according to the Department of Public Safety.

E-mail: sdallof@ksl.com
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:27 AM   #2
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More details from the Utah Motorcycle Rider Education site.
Source:.: Utah Motorcycle Rider Education | MSF Certified Motorcycle Classes :.
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Starting July 8, 2008 Utah will be using a tiered licensing system for motorcycle endorsements.

* If a rider tests on a 90cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 90cc or less.
* If a rider tests on a 249cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 249cc or less.
* If a rider tests on a 649cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 649cc or less.
* If a rider tests on a motorcycle or scooter larger than 650cc they will be allowed to ride any motorcycle or scooter.

If you take a motorcycle safety class on a 250cc, successful completion will waive the riding part of the license test for an up to 649cc endorsement. To get an endorsement for motorcycles above 649cc you must use your larger motorcycle in our class. To use your bike in our class you must have a permit, registration, and insurance.

If you currently ride a motorcycle over 649cc you may also obtain a skill test waiver by successfully completing our License Waiver Experienced Rider Course (ERC). The cost for this 5 hour course is $85.
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:47 AM   #3
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Those Nazis can go suck my ****.

Here's the data from the Utah DMV:

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CLASS M REPEALED
House Bill 72S1 - passed in 2008 - repeals all class M licenses as of July 1, 2008.

After June 30, 2008 a regular operator license (class D) or CDL (class A, B, or C) must be obtained before a motorcycle endorsement (M) may be added to the license. If you currently have a class A, B, C, or D license with an M endorsement this law will not affect you. Those of you with a current class M license will need to do one of the following three options:

1. If you qualify for a regular license (class D), you may surrender your Class "M" license and pass a written and automobile driving test to obtain the operator license (motorcycle endorsement included).

2. If you need only a state ID card, you may surrender your Class "M" license and obtain a state ID card.

3. If because of a physical disability, you do not qualify for a driver license but do qualify for a "Pedestrian Vehicle" permit, you may receive a "Pedestrian Vehicle" permit upon surrendering your Class "M" license. A Pedestrian Vehicle is defined as a self propelled conveyance designed, manufactured, and intended for the exclusive use of persons with physical disabilities.

MOTORCYCLE LEARNER PERMIT
Also, with the passage of this bill all motorcycle learner permit holders will be required to ride with the following restrictions for the first two months the rider holds the motorcycle learner permit.

1. The rider cannot ride on roads with a posted speed limit of more than 60 miles per hour.

2. The rider cannot ride with any passengers.

3. The rider cannot ride between the hours of 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. unless it is for the rider’s employment, including the trip to and from the rider’s residence and place of employment; or on assignment of a rancher or farmer and the rider is engaged in an agricultural operation; or in case of an emergency.

All learner permit holders younger than 19 years of age are required to hold the motorcycle learner permit for at least two months prior to receiving the motorcycle endorsement on the license; however, the two month holding period can be waived if the rider successfully completes the motorcycle rider education course.

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Also, there are three displacement categories: 90cc, 249cc and 649cc. So if you test on a V-Star 650 you can ride anything. Pretty pathetic.

The whole thing is pretty stupid, but since it's the govt what do you expect? They are all idiots.

The law only affects people with Class M licenses. If you have a regular Drivers License with a motorcycle endorsement you aren't affected. Which means that only about 5 people in the State have to worry about it. This is the usual "pretend to do something while actually doing nothing" game that the govt plays.
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"One of Nolan's big pushes is for the right safety gear. The majority of those involved in fatal motorcycle crashes were not wearing helmets, according to the Department of Public Safety."

I'll bet the majority of the seriously injured that require hundreds of thousands of dollars to put their bodies back together were wearing helmets, so who is the real problem here?
.... submitting information that's waaaay above the ability of a bureaucrat or legislator to process. Try shorter sentences with smaller words. The idiots still won't get it but at least you will have tried.
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Three-year-old Dylan Stroud is slowly getting settled back at home. His mom, Carrie, said, "I guarantee you he could have been killed. It was very dangerous, very scary."

Sunday night, two motorcycles were speeding down the family's Herriman street when they lost control, hitting Dylan and a crowd of people at a block party. Today, Dylan's dad spoke with investigators about the teenage drivers. He said, "They've told us they were intoxicated."
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I guarantee you he could have been killed?? What kind of guarantee is that?

...two motorcycles were speeding. Sounds like one cause of the accident was excessive speed.

They've told us they were intoxicated. Sounds like the other cause of the accident was boozin'.

Didn't see the line in the article about how the engine cc's had any impact whatsoever on the accident. Don't know what these yahoos were riding but it sounds like the accident would have happened if they were on 50cc Minitrails. Or bicycles. Hell, I've seen drunk people hurt others just by walking. Does that mean our legs should be restricted to the size they were when we first learned to walk? Same logic.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:29 AM   #6
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What was it the Communists said? Something like: "The Capitalists will sell us the rope we use to hang them." Our fellow riders seem dead-set on outraging the public, law-enforcement, and the government in general to the point where simply banning motorcycles looks like a good idea. I don't know what my reaction would be if a bunch of stuntaz blocked the highway in front of me so they could play, but it would not be good.

BTW: Give it back. It's nacho cheese.
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"One of Nolan's big pushes is for the right safety gear. The majority of those involved in fatal motorcycle crashes were not wearing helmets, according to the Department of Public Safety."

I'll bet the majority of the seriously injured that require hundreds of thousands of dollars to put their bodies back together were wearing helmets, so who is the real problem here?
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