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Old 06-05-2001, 03:07 PM   #51
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Default Cycle Shark failure



Here is an idea why Cycle Shark failed. Difficult product searching. (Tried many different ways to find certain parts that I know they had and eventually had to get the manufactures part number to find it.) And not many motorcycle parts to sell. They had some apparel but nothing I found useful.

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Old 06-05-2001, 03:50 PM   #52
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Default Re: People said MO was crazy, but...

I gladly donated 50 bucks but MO better get it's act together. When "donating," usually there is some sort of reponse that something was given.. I personally got no acknowlegement other than my card was debited and I can now log in. I am hopeful this was an oversite and I was just missed, but if these "donations" were not acknowledged, it will be a cold day before they get any more from me. I even e-mailed a couple of times to aske about this. no response...not very clever or wise IMO

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Old 06-05-2001, 04:02 PM   #53
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Default Re: x y z problems...abc solutions

Along these lines, there are a few things I would like to see to set MO apart. I for one really enjoy the website and think it does offer things that a print mag cannot (this forum being one thing). I would definitely prefer to pay a little (I donated as much as my grad school budget could afford) rather than see the pages covered with adds or, worse yet, pop ups.



As so many people have commented on what they want MO to do, I'll keep my requests short.



1) I have posted several times that I would like to see more touring the world stuff. When was the last time that section was updated? With your readership, I would think that you could convince a couple of people to write about long -- or even short -- tours they have taken. You could even develop a catalog of nice roads around the country so that people that do tour a lot might have some insight on nice roads. I am sure readers would be willing to contribute. www.motorcyclerider.com has something like this, but I don't see why you couldn't add a similar thing here.



2) On reviews. You do often seem to be scooped by the print mags on the latest and greatest. I enjoy reading your takes on the bikes that are showing up in print mags, but it seems you could also review some of the less talked about motorcycles. I really enjoyed your budget bike shootout, for example. I also like the idea of throwing in the view point of riders that do not have a great deal of experience on the track and do not profess to be the next Kenny Roberts (sr., that is).



3) More long term tests. Include maintenance costs, how it performs various tasks -- including riding two up.



I have gone on far too long already, so I'll end it there.
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Old 06-05-2001, 04:06 PM   #54
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Bike.com tried the same thing with bicycle products. They had some of the best bicycle journalism on the web (or in print). This was supposed to bring people to the site who would then buy their products. They even had decent prices. Unfortunately, they lasted less than a year despite a great deal of traffic. They are now owned by excel -- an established discount bicycle retailer that is famous for its catalog.
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Old 06-05-2001, 06:01 PM   #55
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Default Re: People said MO was crazy, but...

MO IS crazy..... Normally I say that in a good way, but right now I am not so sure. And to clarify that statement, let me ask this question. Pardoning porn sites and professionally focused sites, how many successful pay or subscription sites do you see? I am not seeing any. I have seen a lot of former pay sites that used to exist, but I am not seeing any now that are really successful. So when I say that I think that you are crazy (term in this case used very loosely), I mean that I feel you are pushing at a model that has proven that it won't be embraced by the consumer. If you could update content like porn sites do (which is just at a ridiculous rate), you might be able to do it. But they are fluff with no real substance. I would like to think you are focusing more on substance than fluff.



The comparison to cable TV can't be easily ignored. People pay for basic access, but the providers of content don't see any of that money. So there are measured amounts of advertising involved. But if we want something without advertising (movies, etc.) during the content, we have to pay extra for it. If we want to see something really exclusive (Like Tyson biting someone's ear off), we have to pay by the event. Can you adapt this model to your site? What can you provide that you (or anyone else, for that matter) do not offer now that would be desirable enough to pay for? It would obviously be something that we can't easily do ourselves. Bang for the buck mods to increase performance with comparisons between pipes, jetting kits, filters, etc? That seems easy and the magazines do it as well, so it would be a hard sell. So I don't know. I don't know how to make that model work either. That doesn't mean that someone else can't figure out a way to do so.



And honestly, I would like to see you guys succeed..... and put bread on the table.
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Old 06-05-2001, 06:16 PM   #56
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Default Re: People said MO was crazy, but...

Though motorcyclenews is suported by a print mag... Haven't you noticed many of their stories end with "for more on this see issue ____."
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Old 06-05-2001, 07:03 PM   #57
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Default As a self-proclaimed internet "expert",

I must say that with regard to content websites such as MO, as P.J. O'Rourke said: "Economics tells us that when the price of something drops to zero, there will very soon be none of that thing left--as you may have noticed the last time you tried to buy something for nothing."



The article, however, assumes that the "internet" consists only of the MO's, MSN's, Yahoo's, and Victoria's Secret's of the world (i.e. websites.) In fact, a huge portion (probably much greater than HTML) of the traffic on the internet comes from non-HTML sources, such as email (SMTP and POP3), corporate IP applications, network control traffic, and the biggest secret left on the internet: the Usenet. The amount of non-website related traffic on the internet would boggle the mind if one could know how much there really was. None of this stuff will go away even if every big website tanks, so the infrastructure used to retrieve HTML websites will still be there.
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Old 06-06-2001, 03:42 AM   #58
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Default Re: People said MO was crazy, but...

I'm happily paying $8 a month to subscribe to stratfor.com, a website that specializes in strategic intelligence forecasts. Just about everyday they're coming out with new, well written, insightful analyses that make me feel like I'm getting my money's worth. While the content is certainly different from that of Motorcycle Online, MO ought to drop by that website and check out how they're operating. There's no need to go to a porn sight to see how a well-run members only sight works.
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Old 06-06-2001, 03:43 AM   #59
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Default sorry, make that "members only site"

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Old 06-06-2001, 06:46 AM   #60
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Default Re: We all like to be paid for our labour

Glenn,



First things first... thanks for all the racing coverage. I, for one, really appreciate it.



Your last question brings up an interesting point that I haven't seen expressed explicitly in the other posts...



It's definitely not that I don't have $10/yr to pay you. It's that it's a pain in my butt.



It's a hassle to have to sign up and actually arrange for payment. Once registered, would I have to log on each time? What if I lose my password? What if my hard drive crashes and I lose my cookie? What do I do if I have problems accessing MO even though I've paid? I'll definitely be expecting a higher level of service for these kinds of things when I'm paying for it; you will be adding a customer service facility, right? Will it be 24x7? Can I access MO from both my home computer and my work computer? Can I access it from a friend's computer? My wife rides her own bike, and reads my MC mags; can she access MO with my subscription? What will I have to do to renew my subscription? Etc, etc, etc.



Sure, all those questions have answers, but that's not really the point. The point is that the money is not the issue, the issue is that making MO a pay site makes it more of a pain in the butt to use. A $10/yr (or even $30/yr) monetary price is insignificant compared to ANY amount of hassle that I have to go through to use MO.



I'm trying to be constructive here, so I'll spell out the conclusion:



The easier and more pleasant you make it, the more subscribers you will get and keep.

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