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Old 05-04-2001, 09:10 AM   #71
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Default Re: Woodrow is back

Again, nobody really reads my posts. How sad.



When one country takes it on itself to mold the word to it's image, that's imperialism. We've been practising that in various hemispheres for about 160 years. I don't advocate that at all.



Like I said, since world organizations are inevitable, we have to spend our energy making sure they are democratic and accountable, rather than pretending we can "fight" them.



A lot of people tell me they are against the UN, but nobody says what to do about it. We haven't paid our dues for years, and aside from declaring war on the UN, what more can you do?
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Old 05-04-2001, 09:31 AM   #72
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Default Nice sentiment. I'll give you $1 for it.

Well, it's too bad Madison isn't on the supreme court,

huh? He'd set us straight!



Unfortunately for him, he's doing what Beethoven is

doing right now- decomposing! He has no say in how we

run our modern world.



What you want is to kneel before a small cabal of men

long since turned to dust. Ordinary guys, no smarter

than you and me, who happened to write a good (but not

perfect) that still works, somewhat.



So we should supine ourselves before this

patriarchical clatch, and ignore the needs and desires

of millions of people for justice, equality and

freedom.



I don't go for your strict interpretation arguments

because they are used by neo-conservatives to strip

the people of the only power they have- the right to

use government to foster equality and justice for

everybody, not just a priveliged minority. If we

elevate the Constitution to some kind of holy

, we place our trust in the hands of corpses

and turn our backs on the great achivemnts made last

century by thousands of activists, like Mother Jones,

Susan B. Anthony, Thurgood Marshall, Malcolm X, Martin

Luther King jr., and many others.



And I don't see how the Commerce Clause "usurps the

freedom of the people" by regulating interstate

commerce. As decided by many a Supreme Court

decision, "Commerce" starts and ends way outside the

process of transporting it somewhere. It includes

manufacture, distribution, raw materials, and

sometimes even usage.



As far as freedom goes, I agree with you. But we can

have all of those things and still be free. We just

need a voice in globalization, so why don't

conservatives protest the WTO and the world bank? Why

is it all about the UN? We actually don't live under

UN rule, but the WTO CAN and will tell local

governments what to do. That's scary. I guess the UN

could get out of hand, but I have to prioritize. I

fear the WTO, and you should too.



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Old 05-04-2001, 03:31 PM   #73
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Default Hey, I'm not arguing with you there.....

I've no love for the WTO either. They can suck on the same rotten egg as the U.N. (although they're not the ones telling our troops what to do and where to do it, that would be the U.N.)



In regards to the constitution, you present the same tired argument that every liberal does: the Constitution is only written for white people. That is patent B.S. Nowhere is it written in the Constitution that "these truths are self-evident, and only pertain to white people". Millions of succesful black, hispanic, and especially asian people can testify to that. (Funny how asians never complained about their civil rights. They just came over, pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and started slamming and jamming.)



What you are really saying is that the constitution doesn't benefit them because it doesn't say that you can take money from rich white people and give it to those that aren't both rich and white. Just as it shouldn't. Government-sanctioned stealing is still stealing. Taking my money and giving it to someone else is theft, and it reduces my freedom. Those are socialistic ideas, and entirely incompatible with freedom. If I am forced to give the fruits of my labor to someone else, I am a slave.



Unfortunately for those concerned about freedom, the government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul. Thus the cycle continues.
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Old 05-07-2001, 04:29 AM   #74
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Default Re: Boy, do you guys miss the point!!!

Gabe, pay attention to what you just said:



1) Americans will have a huge voice in making these decisions.



2) We will be able to buy bikes not approved by the US govt if we homogenize.



How do you figure that if we are already rejecting (for example) 2 strokes, and we create an international standard that we largely dictate, we would change outr minds and allow the oil-burners? If anything, it's the rest of the world that should worry that their RS250's don't meet USDOT regs . . .
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Old 08-05-2001, 07:30 AM   #75
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Default Re: The U.N. will Design Your Next Motorcycle

That sounds nice in theory, but in practice it never works like that. Politicians, who are not affected by the rules they make for the rest of us, invariably come up with senseless, feel-good regulations to make themselves look caring and compassionate to voters. Do you really think the regulations are going to be made by motorcycle engineers or anyone who even rides a motorcycle?



Do you want a 100 HP limit on bikes sold here too? Maybe jail time or big fines for modifying your bike? How about government inspectors telling you your handlebars are too high and therefore unsafe? Americans would be best off telling other countries to worry about governing themselves, not America.
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