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Old 05-03-2001, 03:12 PM   #61
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Default Re: Hold on a sec there....

CBR,

WHat was done was to LIFT a GOVERNMENT RESTRICTION on the insurance companies. You can't have it both ways - if you want free enterprise, then an insurancer company has the right to assign risk and rates any damn way it pleases.



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Old 05-03-2001, 03:59 PM   #62
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Default Re: Boy, do you guys miss the point!!!

As a Canadian I have to admit that our American friends are to some extent correct. Gun control IS an intrusion on our rights. If I want a gun to protect my family from intuders it should be my decision - not the Governments'. When it comes to the rights of free speech (we don't have it) and assembly we are also light years behind our American brothers. Sometimes we need to put our pride aside and realize when we need improvements. Witnessing the way protesters in Toronto are treated and the way in which political correctness controls our daily work lives makes me envious of the love of freedom I see south of the border.
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Old 05-03-2001, 04:57 PM   #63
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Default No, not global government

Global government is a bad bad thing. It should be fought at all cost. Fortunately, we are still very far from that, regardless of what some people think. Btw, this IS something that affects me every day, since I ride my motorcycle every day. But you're right about the WTO.
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Old 05-03-2001, 05:14 PM   #64
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Default I think maybe Holland would be as free as it gets.

Now if only we could send everyone in Utah to an island somewhere and elect Jello Biafra president, we might have a chance.
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Old 05-04-2001, 12:27 AM   #65
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Man, ya'll read a lot into what I post. All of a sudden I'm Mr. UN? All I said was that if you rank the sinister-ness of all the international organizations, the UN would be pretty far down the list.



As far as your list of grievences, well, those are your opinions. And as far as your rejection of the commerce clause, well, the emperor has no clothes. There's case law supporting federal regulation of interstate commerce going back a long time- even before that evil usurper FDR. So stop presenting your (bizzare and fringe-belief)opinions as fact.



And how does my service in the gulf make me less willing to "prostrate" myself before the UN? Tim McVeigh aside, all us veterans are not murderous wing-nut loonies filled with paranoia. I'm a thinking member of a democracy, and my opinions are just as valuable as anybodies, and I won't lock-step to the corporate controlled media.



If you truly think the UN has enslaved our country and desires only world domination, you need to stop watching James Bond movies. This si the real world, a world with 6 billion hungry, teeming souls, all people who feel their lives and needs are just as important as yours. global organizations are inevitable and neccessary if we ever want to evolve past the point we are in now.



If we isolate ourselves, we run the risk of becoming a staganant, backward culture. Anthropologists will tell you that the result of geographic isolation is to revert a culture to impoverished savegery. We have to participate in world government and make sure it is a just, democratic, and accountable institution.



If you can't fight it, (and trust me, you can't.) you have to make it work for you. It's up to us. We can either stockpile 5.56 ammo and canned goods, or we can act like responsible, informed citizens. The choice is ours.
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Old 05-04-2001, 04:22 AM   #66
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Default Re: Hey, Jackass!

"BTW, I fought as a combat infantryman in the Persian Gulf, defending your "right" to cheap gas. Did you? "



Matter of fact I did. Aboard the USS Independance, providing air support so you could play in the sand without getting shot at. Go Navy!





PS. That D*ckhead comment hurt real bad.
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Old 05-04-2001, 04:57 AM   #67
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Default Re: Boy, do you guys miss the point!!!

Beet,

There's no doubt that the US has brought forward some very good ideas, and I would welcome greater (we do in fact have some) protection of free speech in Canada, as as well as stronger protection of property rights. Absolutely, all citizens of all countries need to practice a little hulmility. Neither Canada, not the United States has a monopoly on freedom or national virtue. A last word on the gun thing - you can own a gun, and until the recent bill, Canadian gun control was actually less stringent than in many US states.

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Old 05-04-2001, 05:50 AM   #68
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1..2..3..4.....



"We are the world, we are the children....."





All the judicial activist, impeachable commerce clause rulings in the world don't change the fact that imposing national (or world, for that matter) standards on motorcycles has nothing to do with the act of transporting and selling them. This is simply another case of the judiciary usurping the freedom of the people via some mystical concept in the "commerce" clause. Once again, Madison will tell you in the Federalist Papers that these clauses DO NOT give the fed unlimited power over everything. Think back to logic 101: that would negate the rest of the constitution.



You make no legitimate argument for relinquishing control of our sovereignity to a global orginization. "Evolve past where we are now"? That's a highly vague, undefinable concept at best. Let's look at where the globalisation we have participated in has gotten us so far: less freedom. Maybe you don't want to be free. Fine. Whatever. Freedom, however, is the most cherished concept and principle in this country. More important than ANYTHING. More important than health care, education, welfare, feeding starving children, the environment, ANYTHING. What is life without freedom? Give me liberty, or give me death!
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Old 05-04-2001, 05:53 AM   #69
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Why are you so bent on assuring us that globalisation is an unstoppable force? Have you been reading the Bible or something? (FYI... I agree that it will happen, but that doesn't relieve me of my responsibility to fight it.)
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Old 05-04-2001, 08:03 AM   #70
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Default Re: Hold on a sec there....

Darn right they have the right to do that. I don't dispute that. What I DO dispute is that they have the right to refuse the claim of one of their clients who was injured, merely because he/she was on a motorcycle, without notification in advance that they will not honor claims for injuries incurred while on a motorcycle. But if they arbitrarily refuse the claim based on their chosen mode of transportation without notification, that's rank discrimination. Where does it end? Do you know what the two most dangerous occupations in the US are? The ones most likely to get you killed? They're not motorcycle racer or cop... They're convenience store clerk and cab driver. How soon until the insurance companies decide that if you get shot while driving a cab or working at 7-11 that they don't have to honor THOSE claims? I realize that this sounds alarmist, but I believe that we need to think about these things.
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