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Old 05-03-2001, 08:06 AM   #51
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Default Actually, ithe second and third world will suffer

It's highly unlikely that the UN is could or would impose performance limits. That's a local jurisdictional thing. This will be about safety (e.g. lighting and brakes), emmissions and fuel standards among other things. The manfacturers can save a fair bit of bucks by producing to single specs rather than many.



People in places like Canada, the USA, Japan and Western Europe actually have more to gain than lose. Since our emmissions and safety standards are already high, we wouldn't be looking at big changes. However, in places where simple carbs and leaded fuel are still the norm, there'll be big changes, and big cost increases.



Our costs might very well go down.



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Old 05-03-2001, 09:21 AM   #52
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Default Re: The U.N. will Design Your Next Motorcycle

Ok. Very funny. Nice joke. Never happen.
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Old 05-03-2001, 09:50 AM   #53
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Default Hey, Jackass!

Wow, I guess this is how educated critical thinkers argue their points- by insulting a perfect stranger's inteligence and patriotism. Which library do you go to? The WWF study room?



First off, I fail to see what either fearing God or toting guns has to do with any of this. All the article was about (you did READ it, right?) was using the UN as an international arbiter of vehicle standards, so manufacturers can simplify regulations and cut costs. Nobody's threatening Zog's gun, so calm down.



I really don't see what "rights" are being threatened, but then again, I'm not nearly as clever (or paranoid) as you, what with my stupidity problem and all.



What are you and your little gun collection going to do about globalization, anyway? Were you protesting the WTO in Quebec city? Do you know anything about the IMF and the world bank? Do you know about international corporations privatizing local utilities in South America and other places? But hey, if the gun magazines don't talk about those things, I guess they're not concerns.



"Fight BS like this all I can." What a joke. Please tell us all about your one-man struggle against globalization, you are clearly a great leader and patriot, ready to spill your blood at the tiniest threat to your valued (but mysterious) "Liberties."



BTW, I fought as a combat infantryman in the Persian Gulf, defending your "right" to cheap gas. Did you?



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Old 05-03-2001, 09:57 AM   #54
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Default Hold on a sec there....

Before we join hands and break into "we are the world", let's ask ourselves how control of commerce from a small, unelected, global consortium is good for us.



We see the worst in this because we know that underlying all the one-world talk is the unescapable conclusion that we surrender our sovreignity. These are the same people that are pushing for world-wide gun registration. These is the same orginization that vilifies the U.S. for fanciful environmental destruction fabrications such as global warming, and then seeks unconstitutional control over U.S. citizens and property to cure the alleged "crisis".



By the way, how exactly do european citizens "tolerate" HP limits? What exactly will they do if they decide not to "tolerate" them anymore? Boycott new motorcycle purchases? Given that the limit is currently at 100HP, that is not a very palatable option for someone with a 1992 katana 600. However, new that they've set the limit at 100, kibbles to bits says that 90HP will be the next step. Socialistic societal engineering is always easier when done in slow motion---i.e. liberalism.
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Old 05-03-2001, 11:37 AM   #55
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Default Re: Hold on a sec there....

Or maybe they'll allow the insurance companies to discriminate against us by refusing to honor medical claims incurred while riding a motorcycle. Oh wait, they've already done that.
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Old 05-03-2001, 11:44 AM   #56
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Default Touche'...

VFR rider may not be well versed in the finer points of debate concerning the WTO, world bank, NAFTA, or what have you, but I understand his point. Quite frankly, I can't understand how, given your service in the Gulf and your vehemence towards those other organizations, you are so willing to prostrate yourself before the brain wizards at the United Nations. Nowhere in the Constitution exists the clause that allows the United States government to enter into any agreement that is at odds with other areas of the constitution. Nowhere in the constitution is there a clause that would give the fed control over the design and production of motorcycles, therefore no outside orginization has the authority to impose such standards on us either.
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Old 05-03-2001, 11:58 AM   #57
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Default Re: Hold on a sec there....

Of course, that's a the private sector...

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Old 05-03-2001, 12:17 PM   #58
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Default Re: Quite right....

Well put! I am sick of this country trying to bend to the wills of the collective Euro-trash mentality that thinks they know better than we what's good for us. It's the same thing the government tries to perpetrate on the public on a daily basis.



The only consolation is the fact that the U.N. is so full of s**t, they'll most certainly never reach a consensus on the "standards".
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Old 05-03-2001, 12:24 PM   #59
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Nope... our lovely congress passed a bill which allowed them that discrimination.
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Old 05-03-2001, 01:32 PM   #60
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Default In this particular case....

I think insurance companies should be allowed to implement any policies they like without government restriction. If they don't want to take on the risk of insuring a motorcyclist, fine. Some other company will. You need to know this up front, of course, and buy a policy accordingly. I am not familiar with the legislation that you refer to. If it is a law that allows an insurance company to breech their civil contract with a customer provided that the customer was riding a motorcycle, then of course the Congress overstepped their bounds. If that is true, then every civil contract has effectively been declared null and void by the federal legislature. The supreme court would love like to get their hands on a case disputing that notion, I'll bet.
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