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anrajala 08-15-2006 10:07 AM

Re: I applaud them but call a spade a spade.
 
So what are you suggesting to do about Iran Seruzawa? I don´t think there are any good options left. Nuke them & kill 10M innocent people? Ok so screw the people but it would be bad to the gas prices also.



And Iran is result of Carter?



- cruiz-euro


BMW4VWW 08-15-2006 10:58 AM

Re: I applaud them but call a spade a spade.
 
The possibility of the Nazis winning was just about nil, especially if the US had continued to supply the Brits. Germany was too small a country to have the adequate manpower to vanquish and hold onto Europe and the Soviet Union. Besides between Stalin and Mao communism came close to the 100M deaths you mentioned. Besides Hitler would have died from syphilis and been replaced long before his final solution could have been carried out.

seruzawa 08-15-2006 11:00 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
The fact that not one bureaucrat even lost his job after the grand intelligence debacle of 9-11 tells you all you need to know about the incompetence and corruption of the intelligence community and their toadies and water carriers in the Congress and Administration. In typical govt fashion the incompetent screwups were given even more money to dump down the rathole.



I wish my boss would give me a raise every time I screw something up.




BMW4VWW 08-15-2006 11:05 AM

Re: The Vietnam connection with fiscal policy.
 
You poor myopic sot, the major cause of inflation and the other economic woes were more attributable to JohnsonÂ’s expansion of the government with socialist programs like the "Great Society" than to the misguided and illegal military excursion in Viet Nam.

ksquid 08-15-2006 12:59 PM

Re: The Vietnam connection with fiscal policy.
 
No need for name calling....

Dangerousdave_2 08-15-2006 02:47 PM

Re: I applaud them but call a spade a spade.
 
Well, actually I have. They MIGHT have been beaten without the US's active participation, but it's instructive to read Churchill's memoirs on this subject. When he heard about Pearl Harbor, his first thought was shock at how badly we had been beaten. His second was that they were going to win after all. I can argue this stuff until we're both sick of it. Tell me I'm wrong, but don't tell I haven't done any research.

Dangerousdave_2 08-15-2006 02:55 PM

Re: I applaud them but call a spade a spade.
 
FEMA would probably be getting to Hawaii about now. Just a personal note. We had a flood here last winter, and FEMA showed up just as the last of those displaced moved back into their homes. I know this, because my wife was one of the people trying to find places for people to stay. A person (ONE!) did finally show up, like I said, after the need was over. Can't blame them too much, I suppose. They also had responsibility for Hawaii!

Dangerousdave_2 08-15-2006 03:08 PM

Re: The Vietnam connection with fiscal policy.
 
Well, yeah, conducting a war without raising revenues to pay for will do that every time. I watched my actual wages shrink a little every year because inflation was out of hand. It was stupid when Johnson did it, and it's stupid now. If you don't want to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a war, don't start one. Vietnam was a lost cause from Truman's time, the domino theory turned out to be BS, and 58,000 people got killed. I think we've got a lot of balls when it's time to talk about going to war, but kinda get to be weenies when the bill comes due. As a Moderate Democrat, I'm ashamed of all those toadies in Congress from my side of the isle that voted for a war in Iraq that they knew had no basis in fact. I don't know if the people who slowly let us get sucked in Vietnam knew any better, but the lesson in all of this is that with a very few exceptions, most wars don't accomplish squat. And the ones that do, (like WW2) create almost as many problems as they solve. That's reality, and anybody that tells you different, is a fool, or trying to sell you something.

Dangerousdave_2 08-15-2006 03:22 PM

Re: I applaud them but call a spade a spade.
 
Well, I don't think it was a Liberal/Conservative thing at all, when it came to Hitler. Liberals mostly wrung their hands while he rearmed, but many Conservatives quietly rejoiced at his success in crushing labor unions, etc. Churchill was a Conservative, but clearly saw what a danger Hitler truly was. The was a Liberal Weanie by the name of Alan Cranston in Europe at the time who was instrumental in translating Mien Kamf into English so people could not delude themselves into thinking this guy could be worked with. There are people who think on both sides of the aisle. They are usually grouped near the center, just like the population at large, but get drowned out by the hardcore, so we have to make a choice between a Moron and a Waffler.

Dangerousdave_2 08-15-2006 03:32 PM

Re: I applaud them but call a spade a spade.
 
Amen, brother. I think of concern about civil liberties as a conservative value. We probably have to reconcile ourselves to being on twenty or thirty surveillance cameras a day, but that doesn't mean we have to just drop our shorts and let them do what ever they want Like Ben Franklyn said "Those who would sacrifice Liberty to gain Security deserve neither." It's not like a lot of high powered minds have not thought this stuff through. We just keep thinking things are different now, so we have to have an Alien and Sedition Act (1812?) Suspend Habeas Corpus (Civil War?) Some damn fool law making it illegal to talk bad about the Great War (WW1) or intern the Japanese (WW2) There's always a good reason, and it always turns out be not nearly as necessary as originally thought.


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