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bigdx 06-22-2006 07:02 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
I have read about the speed restrictors that act on the speed limit of the road you are on. Scary stuff. Apart from it being downright dangerous, I am not comfortable having each and every movement I make tracked by the powers that be.



As far as enforcing current laws. I saw an article where Arlen Ness was fined 5K for selling a motorcycle without an EPA mandated sticker under the seat.



God help us when they start, because you could potentially get a $10 000 per day fine if you bike is not EPA emissions compliant. A failed air sensor can cause that …


Thruxomatic 06-22-2006 07:03 AM

Re: Yawn ..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Ah, still the same old bigdx ... a child in adult clothing. Nice to see you haven't changed in my time off.

seruzawa 06-22-2006 07:04 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
Oh sure. It's reasonable that some case worker can go to your house and take your children from you and then force you to prove your innocence before you get your kids back... al based on an anonymous tip.



How's the kool-aid?

Thruxomatic 06-22-2006 07:15 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
No successes? You just have to dig deeper.



1. Welfare in Canada sees 90% of the people applying back off of welfare and in the workforce within 90 days. That sounds like a success to me.



2. 99% of AISH recipients don't starve to death or are a financial burden to their families, so considering AISH was built to keep people incapable of working from being tossed aside like garbage, it seems to be working, too.



3. Universal Health Care literally covers 100% of Canadians at about half the per capita cost of US equivalent care. Even with the inefficient government spending you freedom freaks rant about, this is a steal of a deal. No profit = cheap.



4. Millions of cars, bikes and trucks ride accident free on streets and roadways every day without an accident, which is a testament to the ultimate public work - the traffic system.



6. Pick a bridge, any bridge, and it is a public work.



7. Mediation saves millions, if not billions of dollars in court costs every year and is a 100% public work.



8. Every single country with gun control has seen their mortality rate due to firearms decline. 100% success rate.



I could go on, but I have to go to work. Government isn't all bad. Business isn't all good. Not even charities and nonprofits are all good.




Thruxomatic 06-22-2006 07:45 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
Did you not read my post?



Some moderately unreasonable laws make it on the books and I fully admit it, but the court of public opinion keeps most of the truly ludicrous attempts to take away freedoms from happening. Try to pass a law legalizing pedophilia and your politcal career will end the day the legislation is announced, for example.



Public opinion can be courted and changed, though, and this is why Roman fathers could kill their children without issue while we have the situation you describe. The public opinion of children has gone from "property" to "guileless innocents in need of protection" and so the laws change to reflect that shift in public thinking. You may disagree with social workers invading your home on an anonymous tip, but enough of the public agree with the practice that you hear very few outcries about it.



Which is precisely my point. Non-riders have an opinion of us, and because they outnumber us, they could very well force their opinions on us if they wanted to. I doubt they would actually pass any law banning bikes altogether because getting enough people to support that stance would be very difficult, but all the same, it doesn't hurt to court public opinion a bit to sway them to our side, does it? Acting like a jacka$$ on your bike just drives more people into the anti-bike camp, which is already large enough as it is, thank you very much.

seruzawa 06-22-2006 07:51 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
Your gun control claim is an outright lie. Therefore everything you say is unreliable.



In fact socialist nations have a track record of being the most murderous nations in history... Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia, Cuba....etc etc. You canucks just do it more quietly by denying the elderly dialysis, etc etc.



And go help you if you need a hip replacement.

bigdx 06-22-2006 07:55 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
Some individuals feel better when they are not burdened by the responsibility to have to think for themselves. Not surprisingly, they consider folks who do like to think for themselves as a danger to society.



Fortunately, they seem to be a minority in the US … I suspect they well represented in Canada and many European countries though.


Thruxomatic 06-22-2006 08:02 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
Hell, driverless cars are coming, so you had better learn to live without the daily fix of 'man melding with machine' that you have with a bike. Nothing you are going to say or do is going to stop that development after the successful pilotless car trials in CA, so all your arguing is just pi$$ing into the wind.



You might as well learn to read, because you'll have lots of time to do it on the commute while your car drives you.








ejis 06-22-2006 08:12 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
There's a big difference between these autodrive controlled access highways and full autonomy. It will be very difficult to turn the entire road system, including neighborhoods, rural roads - not to mention parking lots, driveways and private streets - into an automagically controlled system where things like wildlife, pets and children must be accounted for.



In the near-er future, I would imagine that special lanes on highways could be used for autodriving where the speed limits can be higher, accidents could be minimized, and congestion will be less of a problem. This probably won't hurt non-equiped cars/bikes too much, except that there may be fewer lanes available, similar to HOV.



Personally, I find interstate travel so dull that having an option for autodrive wouldn't be horrible, especially if it saves time. Note I said option.

bigdx 06-22-2006 08:13 AM

Re: Deja Vu
 
Funny thing is, he gives this whole hoopla how the system will protect the rights of bikers, yet law abiding firearm owners have had most of their right removed taken away … forever. He then proceeds to quote fictitious statistics to defend his government’s action in removing right from a huge portion of citizens. He’ll be spouting the same lies when bikers lose their rights.



Yep, looks like a Canuck, stinks like a Canuck, lies like a Canuck …


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