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Old 04-22-2006, 02:02 PM   #11
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Check out the slag piles and the pools of caustic effluent in the battery "recycling" yards in Taiwan where the majority of our batteries wind up. I know from living with battery power from my off grid system just how long batteries will last, and it certainly isn't as long as an internal combustion engine. Plus IC engines can be rebuilt, unlike batteries.
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Old 04-22-2006, 03:57 PM   #12
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The whole pollution thing is tough...what about the mercury levels in coal? SOx and NOx pollutions from both forms of energy? Efficiency losses from "cradle to grave"? Disposal costs? There are at least two battery chemical extraction/reuse facilities in the states that I know of.
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Old 04-22-2006, 04:40 PM   #13
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Hmm. Do I have to dress like that to be cool enough to own one?
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Old 04-22-2006, 05:55 PM   #14
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Do you have to put a baseball card in the spokes to make it sound right?
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Old 04-22-2006, 07:47 PM   #15
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Default Re: Electric Motorcycle gets 180 km(112 miles) Per Charge.

Don't forget that it takes far more than 10 ampere-hours of charging current to achieve a 10 ampere-hour level of charge in a battery. When you figure out how much fossil fuel the power plant has to burn to charge your vehicle you come out behind.



Also, the batteries will only give that 112 mile figure for the first few weeks. Then they begin to deteriorate. Then there's the problems with hot vs cool weather.



You may feel better thinking that you are saving the environment by using an EV. It's self-delusion. No EV is more efficient in using fossil fuel than a Hybrid or even a TDI diesel.
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Old 04-22-2006, 08:05 PM   #16
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"No EV is more efficient in using fossil fuel than a Hybrid or even a TDI diesel."



Not so fast on the hybrids...





"A new study shows that over the lifetime of a vehicle—from the moment it is conceptualized at a design studio until it ends up in the scrap heap—hybrids actually consume a lot more energy than even big SUVs. One reason is that hybrids contain more moving parts than conventional vehicles, which require more energy to manufacture and process. In addition to an internal combustion engine, for instance, hybrids also have an electric motor and a sizable battery pack. That adds to disposal costs, too, once the car has run its last mile—especially for the lead-acid batteries...



"All five hybrids on the list—the Toyota Prius, the Honda Accord and Civic hybrids, the Honda Insight, and the Ford Escape hybrid–perform below average. For all vehicles, the average was $2.28 of energy consumption per mile. The Prius hybrid came in at $3.25 per mile, even though it is one of the highest-mileage cars in the world, getting about 45 miles per gallon in real-world driving. The Honda Accord hybrid consumed $3.30 of energy per mile, about the same as the hulking Ford Excursion SUV. The conventional Accord came in at just $2.18 per mile."



(My Scion xA was tenth best, at 74 cents per mile. I would constantly trumpet the virtues of conventional minicars, but I believe the rule here is that you can't actually own something that you pimp. Right, kpaul?)
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Old 04-22-2006, 08:55 PM   #17
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Can you post where you get this data?



I'd like to view the list.



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Old 04-22-2006, 09:12 PM   #18
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All good and perfectly valid points seruzawa. I was just trying to keep it simple for those who have never had real world experience dealing with battery technology.
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Old 04-23-2006, 07:10 AM   #19
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What's real world got to do with being an "environmentalist?" (liberally sprinkle exclamation points !!!!! at your leisure)
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http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech.../31hybrids.htm



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