Go Back   Motorcycle Forum > Motorcycle.Com General Discussion > Motorcycle News > Old News > MO vs. World

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-31-2005, 10:55 AM   #11
HRCUSA
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

I was going to respond to this posting until I read the reply's already posted and laughed! They already said what I was thinking! Oh, let me add: To think the "big guys" would consider small high end makers or garage built bikes "competition" is a joke. The fine for emission tampering has already been there as mentioned by other MO readers, so that's nothing new. This just means those ridiculous priced Harley clones have to adhere to the same principals as all the rest of the motorcycle producers. I am sure companies like Big Dog would have no problem with this law and are prepared for it. Companies like Confederate are making less than 50 probably anyways so it's not a problem for them either. Maybe if we stop these loud, slow, and unsafe to ride bikes, there would be a lot less new laws trying to pass against the motorcycling communtity as a whole.
HRCUSA is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements
Motorcycle Forum
Advertisement
Old 12-31-2005, 12:06 PM   #12
bobsturm
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 19
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

This has been true for cars along. If you read the EPA rules they state you canÂ’t change anything that alters the emissions output on a car. It also covers 1979 and later motorcycles. ThatÂ’s why Triumph sells "For Off Road Use Only" mufflers for the Bonneville as an option. When ordering after market speed parts for cars, check to see if it meets EPA and or CARB standards. If they do, they have been certified. IÂ’m sure one day, motorcycles will have to conform if they are required to go through emissions testing.
bobsturm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2005, 12:12 PM   #13
saaz
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 84
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

Will modified bikes that have to meet all the requirements of the original model (brakes, safety, emissions etc) have much appeal to the market? These laws have been around most countries for years, and actually heavily enforced in some.
saaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2005, 12:15 PM   #14
maxriderdon
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 323
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

LOL!!!
__________________
Lean Into It!
maxriderdon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2005, 02:07 PM   #15
Fenton
Founding Member

 
Fenton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Arvada, CO
Posts: 1,900
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

I'm not a big fan of the import/race car fad. However, be careful you aren't racing a 400hp civic.

I don't know how long the motors are supposed to last but those guys build "some" very quick cars.
Fenton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2005, 08:57 PM   #16
drthompson65
Founding Member
 
drthompson65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Brooklyn Park, MN
Posts: 238
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

As I sat in the store the other day waiting for the wife I read this article. I admit I'm a closet chopper guy I guess (But in no way will I ever give up my Duc!) I was a bit shocked at what was said in this article but it is a long time coming. When I moved out to NorCal in 2000 I was suprised how no one in the canyons modified the engines (pipes, etc). Everyone did suspension, tires, light weight rims, etc but not one even touched the exhaust. I found out why when I went and license my bike in CA. They checked everything! They even had pictures of the stock bike and what should be on there. I was lucky, I still had all the "stock" parts and was able to get everything bolted back up. Actually when I road my 929 over to the DMV I was shocked just how quiet my bike really was and how little the half system really gave me. I ended up leaving the stock parts on my bike, selling everything on Ebay and using that money to have Lindermann out in Campbell rebuild my suspension. Later when I moved back to Minnesota to be with my wife (dumb move gang). I sold my 929 and picked up a 999. The first thing the stealship asked me was what exhaust I wanted to order. I looked at them and said that was against the law but I will take a full Ohlins system! Really I don't agree with this "law" but I can see the mind set of all riders will have to change...

__________________
2000 Honda CBR 929RR (Sold)
2002 Suzuki GSX-R1000 (Sold)
2003 Honda RC-51 (Sold)
2004 Ducati 999 Mono Yellow (Wrecked May 06)
2006 Ducati 999S Mono Black (Replaced Wife June 06)

1972-2000 A collection of mini, dirt, and road bikes to vast too list..
drthompson65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2005, 10:02 PM   #17
Dangerousdave_2
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,188
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

I think basically you're right about spending money on suspension, etc being more productive, since most sportbikes already have more performance than 99% of the riders out there can use in the real world.

The thing is, part of the whole motorcycle experience is making the thing your own. I've got a pretty stock VFR, engine wise, but I like bar end mirrors, and I have put on a higher windscreen to cut down on the buffeting caused by my particular physique. A guy a few inches shorter or taller would not like what I have done, and you either like bar end mirrors, or you don't.

The point is, I want my bike the way I want it, and I don't want any ******* in a suit telling me what I can and can't do.
Dangerousdave_2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2006, 04:28 AM   #18
sarnali
Founding Member
 
sarnali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,415
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

Only flat sides, cone motors are bowling balls and don't count.
sarnali is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2006, 04:45 AM   #19
sarnali
Founding Member
 
sarnali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,415
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

You must not have too many Asians where you live, some of them little gang-bangers around here build cars that'll run away and hide from just about anything slower than a Hayabusa. Just giving credit where it's due.



As far as Harleys go the new Street Rod runs and handles good enough to be compettitive on the street with just about anything else out there, unless you're dumb enough to treat public roads like your own personal race track.
sarnali is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2006, 05:22 AM   #20
humhead
Registered Member
 
humhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 12
Default Re: It could cost you $10,000.

I understand the angry reaction to government regulation. Nobody likes to be told what not to do. WhatÂ’s not mentioned in the article are the negative repercussions of certain engine mods. Removing or bypassing emissions controls may net you a few horsepower, but only at the cost of higher pollution levels. I live in New Jersey & I have to breathe polluted air every day. It (literally & figuratively ) STINKS!!!!

As for loud pipes, the same principle applies. You may love the sound of an unmuffled chopper, but does that give you the right to disrupt the lives & damage the hearing of your fellow citizens?

I also disagree with the idea that these regulations "stifle innovation". Compare any pre emissions motor vehicle with the same type of vehicle today. Modern vehicles are better in every way & generate about 1/20 th the pollutants.

If you want to improve the performance & emissions on an old style chopper (or any older 4 stroke ) Install a modern engine management system. That would be innovative & responsible.

humhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off