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Old 10-22-2005, 10:28 PM   #1
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Default Re: Multi Bike Crash - Look Ahead!

Great camera work! A good reason why not to play follow the leader and travel in large groups. Ride at your own pace and meet up at the destination. A similar pile up to this happened a couple of years back near Sydney Australia. Hundreds of bikers went on a charity ride and the highway ended up looking like a bowling alley.
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Old 10-22-2005, 11:03 PM   #2
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Damn foreigners can't drive/ride on their own soil either.
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Old 10-23-2005, 02:00 AM   #3
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Yikes oops I screamed. Reminds of a guy on old Honda CBR tailgating someone on 405 the other day. Right up on the guys left rear bumper. Now where do think he was going to go if someone stomped on the brakes. Now that I commute in a car not my bike, I do see bikers following too close to cars. 4 words for ya. "Back off" and "Look ahead"

Great post Sean! Nothing hammers a point home like pictures.
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Old 10-23-2005, 05:15 AM   #4
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There are no guarantees in life, but there are some strategies that work well most of the time in most situations, and the two-second rule is one of them.



An alternative to single-file group riding -- which strings out riders for miles -- and side-by-side parade riding -- which gives nobody any room to move to avoid road debris -- is staggered group riding.



Divide the lane into three sections: left, center, right. The first rider is in the left part of the lane, the next rider in the right side, then the next in the left, etc.



This alternating left/right spacing allows the lead rider to easily keep track of who's behind. It also gives each rider the width of the whole lane to move side-to-side to avoid roadkill or other debris.



To keep a safe amount of space between riders while still keeping a reasonably tight formation, have each rider watch the bike directly ahead. When the bike ahead passes a landmark, such as a utility pole, count "one-and-two-and." If you pass that utility pole before you get to the "and" of two, you need to back off. If you find yourself counting "three-and" or "four- and," you can tighten up a bit.



This keeps a two-second cushion between riders. It works at any speed. At lower speeds, the distance between riders is less. At higher speeds, the distance between riders is greater.



At 60 mph for instance, a two-second gap leaves 176 feet, or about 9 car lengths. At 10 mph, a two-second gap leaves about 18 feet.



Trying to visually determine a safe gap is nearly impossible. Using a timed interval, however, works at all speeds and automatically adjusts for speed variance.



NOTE: Everybody still has to pay attention.
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Old 10-23-2005, 06:19 AM   #5
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The 2 second rule is all well and good, if the other people on the road are using it, but if you leave a two second gap around here in traffic, it's 100% garunteed that some jerk is going to cut you off and plug that gap. What's worked for me is always making sure I have an escape route, or at the very least have enough room to split a lane if I need to.'

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Old 10-23-2005, 06:37 AM   #6
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O.K., let the "jerk" in and give him a 2 second gap.
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Old 10-23-2005, 06:57 AM   #7
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Well there seems to be a problem with the server this morning so I didn't get to see the pileup.



But I will second all that was said above about looking way ahead and backing off and not filling the leaders mirrors!
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Old 10-23-2005, 07:28 AM   #8
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It's not working for me either, but multi bike pile-ups are just one of the reasons I don't like group riding. The last time I went was with a guy I work with and two of his friends. One was so far back we had to keep waiting for him, the other was either so close I couldn't see him in my mirrors or wanting to share the lane with me, then dropping back, then back on my tail pipe. At least my coworker kept decent position but overall it wasn't much fun and I bailed on them after a 100 miles or so.
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Old 10-23-2005, 08:04 AM   #9
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Nobody used the time tested method of 'layin her down' here? No REAL riders in this group obviously! All this carnage could have been easily avoided with this simple method. It just shocks me that nobody uses it anymore.
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Old 10-23-2005, 08:23 AM   #10
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That's how you can tell they weren't experianced riders, they crashed instead of broadsliding and layin' 'er down to avoid falling off their bikes...
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