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Old 08-11-2005, 11:41 AM   #61
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What about MotoCzysz? Of course Czysz hasn't asked MO what it wants and seems to have ignored this powerful cybermag. Also there is another 'Melican sport bikenamed Fisher I seem to recall.

But with 4 Jap companies firmly entrenched in the US market and Korea and China on the way, any US bike would have to be along the lines of a MV to have a prayer, i.e. very expensive. However, for a small consulting fee I would be willing to advise on improvements to the current crop of SBs that would be surefire winners:

variable valve timing or inlet tracts

adjustable controls-all of them and up for low

cushy seats

crash bobbins std.- these things have 2 wheels, they fall over.

gas tank low in frame for low CG

mass centralization

30" seat height max.

ABS front only-not linked

Max. use of carbon fiber for min. weight





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Old 08-11-2005, 11:51 AM   #62
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JB, you make a man with depression look like the happiest guy on the planet! LOL
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Old 08-11-2005, 11:52 AM   #63
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Don't sugar coat it, give it to him Buz...
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:10 PM   #64
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Gr8t, anglish magers.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:21 PM   #65
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Reworded, what I'm trying to ask is, If it's so difficult why are the big 4 doing so well at it?



If racing rules and costs of R&D are the issue, why not do what the car makers do.



Have race only models available for big bucks. Or all the parts to put one together.



Then focus on building a truly rock solid street going sportbike. Drawing on R&D from their racing efforts.



I'm no expert, that's why I'm asking the question.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:28 PM   #66
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Low center of gravity isn't necessarily good on a bike. If it's too low, the bike won't turn very well.



One bike manufacturer tried a very low fuel tank on a race bike a while ago, and the bike handled very poorly. I think it was either Honda or maybe Bimota.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:39 PM   #67
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Okay, I see where you're going; I can dig most of that. Yes, you do live up to your namesake, BTW.



The only contention I have with the above are your choices of finial drive. I like belts. I don't like the maintenance of the chain (yes, lazy, I know), and while I haven't ridden on one, I hear that shaft-drives add a lot of weight in comparison.



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Old 08-11-2005, 02:06 PM   #68
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My comments represent what I think the garden variety street rider would find congnial. The CG would not be too low but low enough to make the bike easy to manage. I read where Buell went to the gas-in-frame deal because he had raced at Daytona with a bike with a large fuel tank high up and it was a ***** to handle when full. The drawback with the inline 4 as I see it is that the tank would necessarily be up high.
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Old 08-11-2005, 02:10 PM   #69
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Oh, come on! b-i-t-c-h a bad word? The is ridiculous.

I just started a subscription to Two Wheels Only, the brit mag mainly to read Colin Edwards column. This months issue would be unreadable if posted here. What a bunch of pansies.
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Old 08-11-2005, 03:13 PM   #70
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Chain maintenance ? have you used the new lubes ? My VFR just turned 4000 km and so far I have lubed the chain twice. thats it. The new chains and lube products are far superior than even a few years ago. no fling, no muss, no fuss, even at 190 kph. that new lube sticks like snot on the end of your finger.
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