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Old 11-15-2004, 10:34 AM   #11
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What a prick. If this were your family member, wouldn't you go to a forum like this for help? Go stick your head up your butt, oh, wait, it seems to be there already....



Now where is that damn medication.....



I really don't like the sponsered links in the story. That is truly tacky.



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Old 11-15-2004, 10:35 AM   #12
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The link here is simply in bad taste.



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Old 11-15-2004, 10:48 AM   #13
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The hyperlinks are automated and incorporated into the index at the root of news.motorcycle.com. We do NOT control where/when they incorportate themselves. The word "motorcycle" is the most common word for the bot to zero-in on and unfortunately, this item has "motorcycle" in it's opening paragraph. If we disabled the linking, it would disable all related-links for the entire site. -Sean
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:59 AM   #14
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kpaul--

While I'm a lawyer myself, I'd respectfully disagree with your advice. Assuming that the original post is not a hoax (and, again, I reiterate my concern that it's a front page MO story that hasn't been verified in any way), I think it's totally unacceptable to file a wrongful death suit against the driver in the absence of some evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Undoubtedly some lawyer will be willing to do it, but imagine, if you will, the pain and anxiet that you'd be inflicting on someone who--as far as we can tell by what we know--did nothing wrong.



To the original anonymous poster--if this truly happened, there are specialists who can reconstruct accidents. The fact that you've written four months after the event doesn't help, but reconstruction experts can often determine if a vehicle was running or lights were illuminated in the course of a thorough investigation. The officers on the scene, hearing the truck driver's version of events, should have at least made some preliminary efforts to determine whether the bike was running--it might be as simple as looking at the position of the ignition switch and/or kill switch. In order to determine if lights were illuminated, the bulbs would have to be located and examined. You, as a non-relative would have limited abilities to gain access to the bike to allow an examination, but his next-of-kin should be able to do so. An examination of the accident scene would be very helpful to a reconstruction expert, but the passage of four months probably means that such an examination would be fairly useless. The photos you're referring to would, in likelihood, not tell an expert whether the bike was in motion, though it might be possible to estimate the relative speed of impact. The skid marks and debris at the scene of the accident would be much more helpful in this respect.



It's hard to imagine a scenario in which a rear-end collision of the sort you're describing would leave the motorcycle upright if it was moving at the time of the collision. Certainly the gyroscopic effect of a bike's rotating wheels would enhance the possibility of that happening, but it seems much more likely that a motorcycle moving at speed would be upset in its trajectory by being hit from behind and would have either been propelled sideways at an angle or have gone down--I'm not an expert, but based on what you've written, the truck driver's version sounds plausible.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:03 AM   #15
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My BS sensor might be a little more tuned than yours due to my advanced age.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:09 AM   #16
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Sounds like MO needs some serious geektime spent in the ole back room.



Methinks the attorney has it right. If this story is accurate, accident reconstruction and expert witnesses will be needed.



We do this all the time in the commercial ins business - and not just for motor vehicle incidents either.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:48 AM   #17
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Hmmm . . . I think you're replying to me. It's kind of hard to tell, give the format of this forum.



If you'll look around, you'll see my response to the anonymous poster regarding hiring an accident reconstruction specialist, but my point was that MO let us down by making an unverified story that has some significant BS indicators (like "killed so bad they almost couldn't get a fingerprint", the missing $7,000; a tree-climbing business, etc.) a front-page headline without doing anything to verify the story. Maybe there was an accident. If there was a death, I'm sorry for the rider and for those left behind. But, as subscribers we've paid for an on-line magazine, and it's not journalism if you make an anonymous post about an unverified accident into a front-page headline. Sorry.
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Old 11-15-2004, 12:05 PM   #18
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The MV Agusta story?



Seriously, though, I know it's easy to be a critic, but I hope you'll consider my comments. I think you've done a good job with the website, but you positioned an anonymous post as a front-page story. Journalists can be wrong and, occasionally, they're hoodwinked. But if you're going to present something as a news item, and not just leave it to stand as an anonymous post to a discussion board, then I really believe you should do some journalistic work to verify it. Your heart was in the right place, but it's not a "story" until there are facts.



Thanks for at least giving my perspective some consideration.
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Old 11-15-2004, 12:28 PM   #19
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Please let us know exactly where this outrage happened. I-20 goes just about all the way across the Southern tier of states. Need to try AMA, Civil lawsuit, bad press, and if worse comes to worse, get Guido and Vincenti out of NY to talk to this jerk.
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