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Old 03-02-2004, 01:44 PM   #21
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Anyone with a 3rd grade education knows the difference between "there", "their", and "they're". Too bad you flunked that with your last post. You could have been one of the dwarves too, only there wasn't one named ****head.
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Old 03-02-2004, 04:40 PM   #22
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Whoa! Longride, lighten-up buddy-ole-pal, I think he was making a joke. -Sean
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Old 03-02-2004, 04:44 PM   #23
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Regular MO reader/poster "mscuddy" is a friend of ole Super Hunky. I'm sure he'll back-me-up, when I say: You could do much worse than to follow the advice of Rick Seiman. My copy of Monkey Butt has been thoroughly enjoyed. (Unlike my actual butt, which I'm proud to say has never been "enjoyed")
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Old 03-02-2004, 07:35 PM   #24
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Ren,



If you really want to get faster I second, third and fourth all of the great advice other posters have left here for you. Track experience and dirt biking, in particular, are the sine qua non of the go fast learning curve. Technicallly it is probably easier than you currently think to be a moderate fast guy. But having said that let me answer your question with a question of my own...



Why?



Does riding your Beemer put a big old smile on your face? Do you feel comfortable with it. If it does and you do then what do you care about your pace with respect to that of anyone else? Are people who are faster than you happier than you? If you didn't ride with anyone else would you care about how fast you were going?



The reason this is an important question is that it requires commitment to be "fast" over a long term. (the annals of motorcycling are filled with temporary fast guys), and this commitment requires time, lots 'o money, and pain because once you make the decision to start up the rungs of the fast ladder you'd best start planning for the day you fall off.



I am a road racer of very moderate skill (1:40 on the big track at Willow and that usually is good for no better than top 7 in my class - Sean and Ashley can blow my doors off). My only modest claim to fame is that I can ride dirt bikes on trails at a pace that most rational humans would consider insane. What I can tell you about the go fast experience from both perspectives is that it hurts when things go wrong - a lot. Broken collarbones, separated shoulders, collapsed lungs, torn ligaments and tendons - you could teach an thorough emergency care class from my medical files. And I count myself as very lucky. Almost every weekend I go racing I see someone removed from the track with life-threatening injuries (not to mention a completely trashed motorcycle). Aside from a bunch of painful encounters with the ground I've never been hurt badly enough that my life was in danger and I've always been able to put my bikes back together without burning through too much money. I guess I lead a charmed life.



What I'm trying to tell you is that there is a serious downside to being a "fast guy" that you need to think about - especially in street riding situations where the fastest guy is often the guy with the least amount of sense. Are you prepared to take some bruising? If you think that your life will be enhanced by being able to turn the tables and torch your buddies to the degree that it's worth getting spanked (which you will) then I say welcome to the fraternity. Take a performance riding school, get yourself a dirt bike and start doing track days. But if you already love your bike, dig riding, have a big grin on your face when you are on or around your Beemer and would be perfectly content with yourself if it weren't for your buddies passing you then I'd consider saving a bunch of time, money and pain and just ditch you posse. Find some new riding buddies who are more your pace and don't worry about how fast the rest of the world is (or isn't).



It is not my place or anybody else's to question your motivation "to be or not to be" fast. But if I may share my own motives: my interest is much more academic than egotistical. To me racing (in a racing environment) is a physical chess game that happens quickly. I dig the mental toughness that is required to be successful and I like the meticulous attention to detail and the craftsman like care that is required to shave even fractions of a second off a ap time. On the street however, I could care less who is passing me and who isn't. On the street it's less like chess and more like Russian Roulette. On the street I personally ride at whatever pace I am feeling comfortable with and the only thing that could even maybe pursuade me to quicken my pace would be an atom bomb going off somewhere behind me. That''s just my way though and everyone gets to decide this for themselves.



Best of luck. Thanks for the great and very honest letter.



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Old 03-02-2004, 09:50 PM   #25
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Interesting question. First off let me ask the question of those out there who want to go fast, but don't have the cash for a course - If you crash your bike when you push the envelope of your ability to go faster are you going to have the cash to fix the bike?

I saved long and hard to get my bike and would never think of doing something that would put it and me down the road. There are enough hazards out there already.

Having said that, I did shell out $50 to do a one day motorcycle training course that the local motorcycle police run. It included emergency braking, swerving, conering etc. It was really good as the guys running it had a pation for bikes just like the people attending the course. It was really amazing what they could do on their ST1100's. Professional training is very much worth the money as far as I am concerned.



If you really want to go fast, get some sticky tyres and get some good training.
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Old 03-03-2004, 02:22 AM   #26
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A Dirt bike would be the best advice except that at 38 crashing is going to hurt and if you don't crash you won't get anything out of it . Since the bike will skid at a much lower speed this will hone your reflexes

to a high degree and build self-confidence. But it take practice and time. Given your age, buy a lighter

bike and if this doesn't do it find some slower friends. I would skip track days-the high speed would spook you.
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Old 03-03-2004, 03:21 AM   #27
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"FasterGoing "faster" comes from confidence. Confidence is gained by exploring the limits of the bike & tires while using proper riding techniques. Limits are safely reached in a controlled track environment and proper skills and techniques are taught in the various rider schools.



Bottom line .... like Sean says ... take any advanced rider school and you will not regret it. Track days alone are fine but so much more will be gained from a track day if you have been first grounded with some advanced riding knowledge. I won't go into a commentary of the various strengths and weaknesses of the schools I've attended, which include Spencer's, Code's CSS, Reggie Pridmore's CLASS & Jason Pridmore's STAR, as frankly I don't have time at the moment ... but suffice it to say that they each have much to offer & you will ride away a richer man.



You've got a huge advantage over many of us, as you live near some great tracks with instruction. My nearest opportunity is almost 750 miles away & I'll still be doing another STAR this month in NV & will be at Barber later this summer



Besides, the cost of one of these schools (Spencer's not included) isn't much more than the price of some of the fancy eye or go-fast candy we all feel compelled to add to our bikes.



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Old 03-03-2004, 03:23 AM   #28
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Going "faster" comes from confidence. Confidence is gained by exploring the limits of the bike & tires while using proper riding techniques. Limits are safely reached in a controlled track environment and proper skills and techniques are taught in the various rider schools.



Bottom line .... like Sean says ... take any advanced rider school and you will not regret it. Track days alone are fine but so much more will be gained from a track day if you have been first grounded with some advanced riding knowledge. I won't go into a commentary of the various strengths and weaknesses of the schools I've attended, which include Spencer's, Code's CSS, Reggie Pridmore's CLASS & Jason Pridmore's STAR, as frankly I don't have time at the moment ... but suffice it to say that they each have much to offer & you will ride away a richer man.



You've got a huge advantage over many of us, as you live near some great tracks with instruction. My nearest opportunity is almost 750 miles away & I'll still be doing another STAR this month in NV & will be at Barber later this summer



Besides, the cost of one of these schools (Spencer's not included) isn't much more than the price of some of the fancy eye or go-fast candy we all feel compelled to add to our bikes.



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Old 03-03-2004, 04:21 AM   #29
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Default take off those hi mileage tires

My first bike in 2k a YZF600R(not R6) came with BT56SS, I then switched to D207 and had to lower the triple clamps. That was a much better tire! I am now using Sportec M-1 and this one is phenomenal! You can't go fast without confidence in yourself and vehicle, better tires can transform the experience. The OEM tires were good for me to cut my teeth on, I must confess.



For me it comes down to front end feel and with each successive tire selection the front end became more responsive.



You will also have to experiment with front tire pressure.



Recently in 50 degree weather I was running with 30-31psi cold and since it was first time out in months I lived with it.

Upping the pressure made the bike as responsive as I remembered... I added 3psi hot. From 40 to 43 for example
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Old 03-03-2004, 05:03 AM   #30
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Hey I want credit for the 7 dwarfs thing...anybody still wonder why longride is Grumpy the dwarf and not Happy the dwarf?
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