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Old 01-01-2001, 09:34 PM   #31
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Default Re: Value Bike Feedback - Random thoughts

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!



I will read the two reports again to see if the brakes were mentioned in either one.



More thoughts since:



1. If I remember correctly (I haven't re-read the "Frugal Flyers" article recently), the original test was biased somewhat toward ease and cost of operation and maintenance, while this one is just about how the bike feels to the testers.





2. Personally, I think I'd rather pay the warranty fee (depreciation) than the Harley tax (accessories). The Harley seems to be for those who like wrenching, or are good at it; I guess I'm more "reliable transportation" oriented. Maybe I'm just dull, or maybe my old bike just needs too many repairs...



3. Another reason for me to re-read the current report is to try and remember if any of the current bikes has shaft drive. Maybe the V-Star Classic inherited it from the Virago? The H-D and Buell have belts for sure, the KLR650, Nighthawk and SV650 all have chains. One wonders how a brand new GS850G or VX800 would fare in this test...one will have to wonder 'coz no such thing exists.
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Old 01-02-2001, 12:04 AM   #32
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Default Re: Consistency noted after re-reading...

Nighthawk 750:



Easy to ride, smooth power delivery (both articles), smooth clutch, swift gear changes (2000 Valuebike Shootout)



Long distance comfort hampered only by lack of fairing (both articles) but otherwise good thanks to tall gearing (both articles), well-padded, comfortable seat (Frugal Flyers), good seating position, and long wheelbase (2000 Valuebike Shootout)



Long range; 87-octane compatible (2000 Valuebike Shootout)



Suspension O.K. but could be better (both articles), rear suspension undersprung and prone to bottoming out under heavy load (Frugal Flyers), spongy feel, bias-ply tyres (2000 Valuebike Shootout)



Front brake not very powerful (Frugal Flyers)



Powerful, but in a bland way (both articles)



Indestructable if given routine maintenance (both articles)



Low insurance and maintenance costs (Frugal Flyers)





XL883 Sportster:



Screams for Screamin' Eagle parts (both articles)



Easy to manoeuver, thanks to low seat height, upright riding position and drag bars (both articles)



Adequate brakes, but could be better (BOTH ARTICLES! Hmm, maybe more improvement needed?), good engine braking (Frugal Flyers)



Solid overall feel, unique "Harley" feel (both articles)



Controls are stiff and heavy, but do the job well (both articles)



Suspension inadequate for highway travel (2000 Valuebike Shootout), sloppy damping (Frugal Flyers)



Not too intimidating for new riders, upgradeable with experience (2000 Valuebike Shootout), first by converting to 1200cc and then by adding performance parts (both articles; also both articles mention the performace parts twice, as this review does)



No depreciation (Frugal Flyers)



Low servicing and maintenance costs, but no centrestand (Frugal Flyers)



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Apart from the above comparisons, there is this telling comment on the Yamaha V-Star Custom's brakes in the "2000 Valuebike Shootout":



The brakes are pretty good and only get edged out by the likes of the SV650 and CB750.



Please note that this infers that the V-Star's brakes were better than the Sportster's improved brakes, but were not as good as the (CB750) Nighthawk's.





And, yes, the Yamaha V-Star has a shaft.
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Old 01-02-2001, 05:49 AM   #33
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If money really isn't an object, you really should try a Low Rider or one of the new Softails, then. HARDLY a two-wheeled Buick like the Ultras. And they are a TON more comfortable than the Sportsters. If you are absolutely enamored of the XL engine, then you should experience it in REAL motorcycle: a Cyclone, Lightning or Thunderbolt. The Sportster is a poor excuse for a motorcycle no matter WHOSE logo is on the tank.
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Old 01-02-2001, 06:19 AM   #34
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Thanks philip, registering right now..

I agree, I think I forgot just how much FUN riding a motorcycle is (vs. comfortable on my wing) Until I scooted around on a little inline 4..

the more I looked at a new bike, the more "over" cruisers I became.

Now I'm torn between a ZR (s) or a bandit 1200 or 600 (s)..

Choices..

Either way.. I'm re-energized after riding for 15 years, 4 different bikes..

See you on the pegs!

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Old 01-02-2001, 06:45 AM   #35
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Testify SQUID!

Give it to us good MO..

Put your names below mine average poster..

We'll call this a.. what do you.. how you say..

petition?
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Old 01-02-2001, 08:39 AM   #36
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Whoops, you're right... I was thinking of the ZX-7R, not the ZR-7. I would also be interested to know why they didn't include that bike in the test. Or why they haven't tested it at ALL. It's been getting awesome reviews from paper and e-zines.
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Old 01-02-2001, 08:53 AM   #37
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Suzuki DIDN'T forget to make it. It's called the TL 1000.
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Old 01-02-2001, 09:21 AM   #38
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I posted praising and reccomending the MZ Skorpion as a terrific budget first bike/racebike/sportbike, and MO deleted it! What was so offensive about that?
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Old 01-02-2001, 02:10 PM   #39
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Default Re: Consistency noted after re-reading...

Well, I have ridden a Nighthawk, but not that one, and I can say Universal Japanese Motorcycle, but I've never ridden one. I learned to ride on a 1983 Honda Nighthawk 450 (P-twin), which is still the biggest and most powerful bike I've ever ridden. My current ride (when it works) is a 1988 Honda CM200T TwinStar. I rented a Yamaha 80 step-through for two days on vacation in 1998 and I rode a friend's Honda C50 for about 50 yards once. Those are all the bikes I've ever ridden, and I am certain that, with the possible exception of the Nighthawk 450, the Buell Blast would leave ALL of them for dead!



As for the Sportster, not even the die-hard Harley fans deny that they shake HEAVILY; they chalk it up to character (BTW, "Frugal Flyers" suggests checking the headlight and taillight bulbs regularly as they tend to get shaken to death quite often). OTOH, Nighthawk articles and owner comments, regardless of the forum or publication, almost unanimously refer to the Nighthawk's dependability. Magazine articles often call it boring and characterless. Maybe I am too, it sounds like good transport to me!



One last note: The motorcycle police where I live ride Nighthawk 250s, Nighthawk 750s, and Kawasaki Police 1000s. Back in the '80s they used to ride TwinStars like mine.



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Old 01-02-2001, 02:33 PM   #40
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I'm in! I want to read what MO has to say about the ZR-7. Especially when compared straight up against the Nighthawk 750 and the Bandit 600!
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