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Old 12-29-2000, 05:58 AM   #11
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The Bandit 600 would have been a nice inclusion, if slightly redundant with the SV650 on hand; the normal unfaired ZR-7 is a more important one to include (certainly compared to a heavy grunty 650 dual-sport; maybe a DR-Z400S next time?)



Fairly obvious story idea: Since you're still comfortably fond of the Nighthawk 750 as a benchmark, why not have a dedicated head-to-head contest with the ZR-7? (Your "rational" comrades over at Interactive Motorcycle did this ages ago....) Maybe bring the SV650 as a mixer if you want/have to, but the purpose would be better served by a one-on-one comparison.
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Old 12-29-2000, 06:07 AM   #12
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The answer to your question is that they had to have a reason to rereview these two bikes, not to mention the KLR. Since they have been around for ten years unchanged (hardly a reason to review them) and since we already know all there is to know about these models (even less reason to review them) then the only reason left is that they mysteriously changed positions since the last test. Guess they had to retest the suckers to figure out what was up. Those unlucky enough not to know all there is to know about these bikes could always go back and read the original test.
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Old 12-29-2000, 06:19 AM   #13
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You have GOT to be kidding me!? Who paid you off to rate the 883 Sportster so high?? I can still remember the Cycle Magazine review of "Bargain Cruisers" wherein the editors unanimously agreed "If the 883 Sportster were the last production motorcycle available on the planet, we'd all drive Mazda Miatas!" From my own experience, it is the most MISERABLE bike I've ever ridden! Your knees are situated under your chin (although I guess if you get tired, you can always rest your chin on them!). The mirrors are completely useless at highway speed. The damn thing vibrates so much if you wear glasses, you'll effectively be BLIND because they're vibrating on your face! The seating position turns your body into a perfect parachute so even trying to hang on at highway speed becomes an exercise in exhaustion. The best thing about this bike is the TINY gas tank, because you'll welcome the FREQUENT excuses it gives you to stop and get off the bike! Harley does make some decent bikes. This is definitely NOT one of them! Buy it ONLY if you're label conscious, and CHEAP!
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Old 12-29-2000, 07:21 AM   #14
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Default ZR-7 questions..

Do you own a Zr7? My local dealer is getting in the "s" model in feb.. (I NEED the fairing) but doesn't allow demos.. what kind of "real-world" experiences have you had on the 750? Is it a good commuter?

tourer? gas mileage? all serious questions..

I mean.. at 6600.00 out the door and down the road..

TO MO: We ALL know how the harley looks/runs already don't we? I mean, all we have to do is read the "frugal flyers" review from a couple years ago..why the hell wasn't it (ZR-7s) included?

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Old 12-29-2000, 07:33 AM   #15
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Default Long live the cheap bikes!

I've got to agree with you. Seems like MO (and other moto journalists) prefer to do reviews of more expensive and exotic bikes. Probably a lot of the readership prefers to read them too.



For my time, though, budget bikes are where its at. Show me how to make my SV into a weekend touring machine and I'm happy. Better yet, help me figure out how to get an extra ounce of enjoyment out of the Ninja 250 in the garage without trading it in and I'll be estatic.
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Old 12-29-2000, 08:36 AM   #16
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Uh.... The ZR-7 costs way more than their $6,000. maximum budget. Remember the word "Budget" in the title?
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Old 12-29-2000, 12:24 PM   #17
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Actually the msrp for the faired 2001 is 5999.00 which puts it under their cap.. the "out the door and down the road" price above is incl.tax title and license.

The unfaired version from 2000 is 5499.00 and also under the cap.

I'd just like to read how it fares against similar (750cc) bikes..

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Old 12-29-2000, 03:02 PM   #18
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can be derived from you Ninja by getting new suspension, good tires, and getting some track time.



It's a great track bike once set up, and if you crash it, big deal!



You SV can be made into a weekend tour bike with a cheap windsheild and a duffle bag bungied to the seat. Plus, you need to ride it somewhere!



Hope that helps!
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Old 12-29-2000, 03:48 PM   #19
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So this was a good start writing about bikes that work good for everyday. I was getting tired of reading about 600 sport bikes. All of them made out of the same mold and the difference so minute that you can only tell on the track. No one could ever say that comparing the 883 to the KLR was splitting hairs. Yes your comparison is flawed only because each persons priorities are different. Each one of us could list the bikes in our own order. Lots of folks have only ridden one or two bikes. Right now new riders seemed to be funneled into a couple diferent catagories. There are multiple options available to us and these 6 bikes did cover quite a spread.



One bike that should of been test, I wished was tested was the SV996!











Oh ya Suzuki forgot to make it. It would of been nice could of been but then what the hey.
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Old 12-29-2000, 09:24 PM   #20
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This shootout, and the common theme of the reader

feedback tells me that the manufacturers are serious about attracting new riders. American motorcyclists are not getting any younger and unless Honda, Suzuki, Harley, etc. are tooling up for bass boats and Winnebagos, they'd better start marketing to Gens X and Y. By the looks of it though, they're doing fine. Almost every make has multiple entry-level bikes in almost every genre. MO could do multiple multiple-bike shootouts to review them all. When I made the transition from dirt bikes to street bikes in the late 80's, there were only a few outdated entry-level bikes to choose from. Now there are modern, exciting bikes to fit every taste and budget. Back then you had all of 2 choices in riding gear, full leathers or levi's and a biker jacket. Today, the aftermarket is as strong and diverse as the motorcycles themselves. The motorcycle industry is stronger than it's ever been, and I like it!
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