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Old 05-31-2003, 03:57 PM   #111
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Fine, but it's an issue that the Demos have failed to pull off even when in power in the presidency and both houses. Both parties are irresponsible gangs of crooks as far as I'm concerned.



On the other hand people in the U.S. without any sort of coverage who go to emergency rooms get better and faster treatment than they would in almost any of these so-called socialist paradices.
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Old 05-31-2003, 03:59 PM   #112
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Man, did you ever miss the whole point.
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Old 05-31-2003, 04:01 PM   #113
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Well, actually the most recent official study on second hand smoke, recently released b ythe Brits I believe, says that there is no evidence to support the danger of second hand smoke.



I don't like seeing people being opressed for no good reason.
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Old 05-31-2003, 04:08 PM   #114
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Well, actually the S&W .357 with the 4" barrel makes a more handy package on the bike. In Arizona you can just wear it on your hip.



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Old 05-31-2003, 04:49 PM   #115
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Don't know about the helmet thing, but check out the pictures of Burns here:



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Old 05-31-2003, 04:49 PM   #116
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Hopefully it won't become the law where I live.



Legislation to protect peopel from themselves is entirely unnesscary and costly in multiple ways. One, being that time is spend on these issues when REAL social welfare issues are overlooked and seondly that it costs you and me money to pass into a law and then enforce something that isn't the law's to decide.



If people want to wear helmets or not wear helmets, that's their choice. Just as someone brought up earlier, motorcycles are much more dangerous than cars. Should you not be allowed to drive a motorcycle. Drinking and smoking are dangerous to yourself and others, do you feel that both of these should be outlawed? Driving on public transportation is significantly safer than piloting your own automobile, should you not be allowed to drive?



The argument that it's dangerous and that is why it should be a law is entirely not in line with the rest of our countrys laws regarding public saftey.



Do you know how many people died from guns last year? About 10,000. Ironically we can both still buy guns. Do you know how many people died from motorcycle crashes, about 1200? When you take out the intoxicated drivers, do you know what the number drops to? About 720. 720 compared to 10,000, so why aren't we discussing gun violence and gun control? (cause this is a motorcycle board? but this thread is about public saftey essentially)



Also, intelligence has nothing to do with wearing a helmet or not. I know plenty of intelligent people who choose to ride without helmets.



Further supporiting my point that intelligence has nothing to do with whether or not you wear a helmet, clearly you wear a helmet, yet have displayed that you're an ignoramus with no grasp of the actual numbers involved in motorcycle saftey or the effectiveness of helmets.



No matter how you look at it, there are other more important issues that the money could be spent on and that's if you disregard that creating a helmet law is creating a double standard for any other "dangerous" activity.



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Old 05-31-2003, 05:00 PM   #117
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Up until a couple of years ago we had a helmet law. Now we don't. I have ridden without a helmet a couple of times, just to see. If you forgot about the accident/wreck thing, riding without a helmet feels pretty good, provided you don't get hit with rocks, large bugs etc. The wind in your hair feels great. And you are more in touch, like in a convertible. Except convertibles seldom fall over.



But I couldn't forget the accident thing, and the guy we passed the other night, and the puddle around his head, bring the point home.



Insurance limitations are not the answer guys. That slippery slope leads to no motorcycles. WHen you see a guy without, just say a prayer and ride on.







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Old 05-31-2003, 05:17 PM   #118
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No, what you've presented is a logical fallacy known as reductio ad absurdum. If it were logical, then we should all walk instead of driving cars, and walk slowly at that, probably still wearing a helmet and full gear.



But no one is suggesting that we pass laws which eradicate all risk whatsoever. Laws have been and are passed to limit risk to reasonable limits, which is precisely what helmet laws do.



For another example, consider speed limits. A speed limit in a school zone might be 20 mph to reduce the risk of hitting a child. However, no one will argue that the speed limit should be 2 mph, because a reasonable amount of risk is already ensured by a 20 mph limit, and a 2 mph limit is just ridiculous....



...much like your argument, which is neither logical nor original.
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Old 05-31-2003, 07:35 PM   #119
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Ok farm boy I am going to talk real slow. What you are talking about is Property coverage on your bike i.e. Comphrensive and Collision. What makes large employers and their health insurance employers start to look at discriminating against motorcycle riders is high cost of injuries associated with head traumas. Some insurance companies want to eliminate health coverage of motorcyclists all together. You anti-helmet crusaders only make it worse by your idiot stance on helmets. You must be an idiot baby boomer. Your father was probably a member of the greatest generation. It looks like greatness skips a generation. Us Gen X and Yers have grown up with helmets. I ride one when I ski, rollerblade and bicycle. So it really isn't a big deal. Helmets are the future get used to it.
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Old 05-31-2003, 07:40 PM   #120
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I like it ! I like it! Now you guys are starting to get it.
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