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Old 11-10-2000, 10:32 AM   #1
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Sweet merciful Jehosephat!!! The Peirson's milk-vetch plant is on the brink on extinction!!



The Peirson's milk-vetch plant of course contains the critical ingredient for Pearson's salted nut roll. Without this important fauna, we would truly suffer.





I have just one question for the earth-is-our mother crowd. Don't you ever get tired of your own bulls**t?
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Old 11-10-2000, 11:59 AM   #2
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What difference does it make whether they take away now for a obscure and seemingly (to most of you here) unimport reason, preservation of a species or later for expanding suburbia (Housing).



No the real problem is that there is getting to be to many of us!
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Old 11-10-2000, 12:02 PM   #3
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You are a freakin tard!
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Old 11-10-2000, 03:19 PM   #4
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When I saw "Feds Ban OHV Use In SoCal" I thought, well, there go all the Harleys and Road Stars...
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Old 11-11-2000, 05:03 PM   #5
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this is bull. this is exactly what you people in california deserve for giveing the popular vote and trying to elect gore. the democrats are the ones behind most of this liberal horse dropings to begin with. if they didn't codle these people that have nothing better to do with their lives than try to destroy other peoples life. something like the valdes spill i can see. send all these weapy eyed to help clean up some drunken sailors mess, and let clinton get laid in the white house and rent it out by the hour.wake up people, we only live once. let us enjoy our lives and teach our kids the value of family fun. a family that rides together will stay together. not splitting up and looking for something to destroy just to spite these wimps that don't know how to PROPERLY enjoy the land.we do less damage to the desert than the DEA does when they burn 1000 acres of weed. or when a conservationist starts a CONTROLED burn and burns how many thousands of acres and homes.

wake up people. if you don't, you will have to get a licence to go into your own bedroom and think about having fun.
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Old 11-11-2000, 07:39 PM   #6
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Well, this is something that is definately worth getting upset over. However, after reading the first few comments sent, I can see why the AMA, off-roaders, OHV's and the rest lost this issue. I've lived in California and in particular the High Desert area, Victorville, since 1976. I've watched most all of the land be closed around here. And throughout the years, there has always been one consistant. Those people everyone is so quick to call, Tree Hugging, Sandal wearing, Mother earth living, spotted owl saving....etc. Well, they are very organized, well funded, well lawyered. Any of you remember ANY OHV organizied, well funded, well lawyered fights. There's the problem. About the only one I really remember is over the Desert Tourtis (however it's spelled) and the Barstow to Vegas Area. I believe it was the staff of Dirt Bike, A van Dike Brother and a FEW other's who really put it on the line. The even did some Jail Time. But that was about it. How many of the Ohv, 2 wheelers, mountain bikers are willing to go the distance. How many of you are willing to chain yourself and your Buggy to a tree, have it impounded, anddo some time for your rights. I've been in Oregon for the Spotted owl Crap, and I saw the environmentalist chain themselves to trees, gates, heavy equipment. This is a very powerful picture on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC.

The biggest problem is not the Honest everyday OHV'er. It's the one's with the, "I'll do what ever I want attitude." You know the ones, you've seen the pictures, remember the pictogliphs in the desert,with the TIRE TRACKS through them. Or how about the idiot on the KX500 tearing through the desert with the silencer blown out, or the buggy with 4 grown adults hauling ass and all 4 of them have a "Corona" in their hands, It's all about exposure. Why hasn't Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Polaris, KTM, Husky or any of them gotten involved BIG TIME. They make billions off of us. How about Michelin, Pirelli, Dunlop, Bridgestone. Where are they? Or maybe, Unical 76, or Texaco, Bel Ray, Maxima, Silkolene, PJ1? Where's FOX, No Fear, AXO, Acerbis, Alpine Stars, Shoei, Bell, AGV. Have you seen their multi-page ads in every issue of Dirt Rider, MXA, Cycle News, Dirt Bike? How about Pro Circuit, FMF, Troy Lee Designs. These people make millions off of us every year, Seen their Semi's at the races, driving down the freeways, parked at In N Out. How about Jeremy McGrath, Ty Davis, Shane Watts, Larry Roeseler, Johnny Campbell, Ivan Stewart, Ever notice any Sponsership patches that say,"Save our riding areas" "OHV and endangered species". Take a look at mail order companies,Chaperal, Moto World, Plano, Rocky Mountain, Recreation Unlimited,Tucker Rocky, those T-Shirts with the babes in thongs standing next to a CR250 or A GSXR 750. Ever seen a "SAVE our OFF Road Parks". Not just NO, But HELL NO. They all want you money, buy their stuff, help support Jeremy, wear 1-800-collect, no fear,buy his little die cast motorcycle replica, get Jeremy's supercross video game. I too, admire Jeremy McGrath, but he ain't doing a damn thing to help me keep my riding area open. Hell I went so far as to buy 2.5 acres of my own land so I'll have a place to ride.



Don't just write the BLM, or about the AMA and what they haven't done. Look for a "Save the OHV area's" ad in you next issue of MXA, Dirt rider,Off Road, Cycle news, If you can find it, I found one, it was about 8th- 16th of a page, buried and almost non visable. Take a look at Yamaha's YZ250F ad. Hell they used a picture of OHV's main opponent in their ad. Not once however did they refer to him as someone who is taking away your opportunity to ride that YZ250F. Only "Hail to the New Chief, intro. the YZ250F four stroke" Notice the ad about 2001 Yamaha Contingency Program. Tells you how much you could win if you buy their bike and win races. Going to be pretty hard to collect without places to race. Canyou say Good by to , Lucerne Valley, Best in the Desert, Ridge Crest,,,



Don't be lead into the same old that everyone has done for years, Contact the Big BUCK,,,
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Old 11-11-2000, 07:49 PM   #7
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There's a real brillant answer, Helps out a whole lot. And their saying back, I bet you get a big whipe with your now parked CR250, very expensive lawn funriture you got in that parked chenowith. Come on, think...This is real, and believe it or not, these are exactly the comments and mentallity that the tree hugging spotted owl lovin WINNERS are using against us.
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Old 11-11-2000, 07:52 PM   #8
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Get involved, it ain't just about giving a few bucks...Are you willing to chain yourself and your bike to a tree for a few days, Willing to do a few days in County Jail to prove you RIGHTS.
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Old 11-11-2000, 08:18 PM   #9
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As mentioned there are more people and less land so damaged public lands are more apparent, and the growing population of tree lovers/people haters is growing stronger. It's a modern reality that the silent majority will be walked on by the vocal majority every time. Democracy is an illusion and more so on the liberal side of the spectrum. What we need is population control. Fewer people equals less damage, less complaints and less whiners. Maybe population control should begin within the "green" party.
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Old 11-11-2000, 08:19 PM   #10
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As mentioned there are more people and less land so damaged public lands are more apparent, and the growing population of tree lovers/people haters is growing stronger. It's a modern reality that the silent majority will be walked on by the vocal minority every time. Democracy is an illusion and more so on the liberal side of the spectrum. What we need is population control. Fewer people equals less damage, less complaints and less whiners. Maybe population control should begin within the "green" party.
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