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alanheng 03-12-2002 09:33 PM

Re: New Riders section at MO
First Post, Mother F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What would make for some great articles? Anyone remember that website "Interactive Motorcyclist (" ?

They had tons of great articles, anecdotes, and stories that have shaped my philosophy of riding. They're gone now, but I think the CD can be had for $15.

First and foremost, express the importance of PROPER training.

Secondly, come up with a list of gear.... gear that fits different price brackets. For example, you could say "For $500, you can get this, this, and that. For $1,000 you can get this, that, and her".

Third, Although it is controversial, make sure it is known that many experienced riders advocate starting on small-horsepower biles. I really haven't met any legitimate rider who regrets starting on a small bike; and more often then not those who start on small bikes or on dirt bikes have a much faster learning curve to good riding than those who don't.

Fourth, let it be known that it's vital that new riders pick their riding mates carefully. New riders mixed in with dangerous crowds may not last long.

Fifth, further promote continual rider training, and track time.

And since I'm experiencing a brain fart:

"It's not the bike that will let you go fast, it's the skills of the rider".


"It's a lot more fun to go fast on a slow bike than to go slow on a fast bike"


"MO needs some hot nudie chicks to pose for an MO calendar (that features and SV650 on the cover)"


alanheng 03-12-2002 09:40 PM

Ear plugs
Oh yeah, advocate that they wear earplugs for any ride longer than 10 minutes at over 40 mph.

badsac 03-12-2002 09:41 PM

Re: New Riders section at MO
The three most valuable things that come to mind from when I first started out riding was;

1) Buy a cheap dirt bike, get out on the dirt and ride too fast. You soon learn bike control and how much crashing hurts. Better learn this on the dirt than on the road. Then when you first start on the road, ride your dirt bike for a while until you learn what's going on. The dirt bikes already half trashed anyway so you don't mind so much when you lay it over the first day you go riding in the rain because you never realised pavement could be so slippery when wet.

2) Go riding with fool mates and watch them ride up the main street with their head up their ars waving at all the chicks until they go over the roof of that car that U-turns in front of them. See how scary that is then know you'll never do anything so dumb.

3) As soon after you buy your first road bike as you can manage, take it to the track. Either rider/race training or just a track day, you'll end up a much better rider of this strange feeling new bike at the end of that day. Much safer being away from real world obstacles and gives you a chance to catch up with the capabilities of the bike. Track surfaces are always much grippier than the road (at least around here) so your new crotch rocket's going to be capable of going much faster than you are at that point anyway.

They were my experinces starting out on bikes, and they've left me in very good stead. How to make these pieces of information into and article though?

mortensax 03-12-2002 10:31 PM

Re: New Riders section at MO
I have been asked to advice a (girl)freind, who is starting out, and found that I had to explain a lot about what engine charateristics mean, why hp is not the only thing to look at, but also when they appear etc. So maybe an article that expalined a bit about the technical terms would be good, and a review of the different bikes in the "small to medium" sizes, types, and weather they can endure every day use, or are simply meant as "recreational" toys...(and this is my favorite "non-porn" stop!)

chariton 03-12-2002 10:55 PM

Re: New Riders section at MO
Great idea. I'm a new rider myself. Actually I am expecting my new CBR600 by the end of the month. I got my sybscription to MO largely becase I needed all the information I could get. I was set on a CBR because I have a thing for Hondas (I love the understatement that they are) and the articles in MO helped me see that for a novice like me it was a sensible(?) choice. But they also told me that A VFR may have been a choice or a Kawasaki ZX6R may also have been a choice.

Mind you I had to read a lot of stuff. Not only article but lots and lots of comments from fellow subscribers. Lots of info but not much for what I needed.

Here's my 5 cents.

1. A guide line maybe for buying a new bike.

2. A section for maintainance tipe.

3. What to check if you are buying a used bike. 4. Riding tips.

5. Most important. RIDING HAZARDS!!!

A friend of mine was killed because what he thught of as an innocent puddle turned out to be a ditch. He died of massive internal bleeding the same night... Just to show how easily ignorance can kill.

Hope you get on with it soon

luvmyvfr 03-12-2002 11:40 PM

Re: New Riders section at MO
How 'bout something like a new racers/rebuilders section too? You could have articles on how/where to buy a fairly new wrecked bike, where to get the frame striaghtened, to buy cheap plastics for it, slap some tires on it, have it inspected by the state patrol for a title, etc. I've been looking around for months and months for info on this, and finding out where and how to do all this has taken longer than I think doing it would. Just an idea.

I think many of the people who post here at MO have great advice for new riders. I read MO for a year before I bought my first street bike, and that helped me formulate many opinions about what kind of rider I am. What kind of riding I enjoy, what kind of bike I have, what kind of gear I wear, what kind of tires I use etc. etc.

For me, buying a streetbike wasn't a spur of the moment decision (probably would have been, were it not for the wife), and I did much research before buying. I still feel like I got screwed from the stealership, so like someone else mentioned, tips on how to get a good deal from the stealership would have been very helpful, and where to shop for gear (don't necessarily buy it from the shop you bought your bike, and if you did, don't go checking prices elsewhere later, or you'll hate them and yourself for it)


flatass 03-13-2002 01:24 AM

Re: New Riders section at MO
Hey I am 52 and started riding a 550 triple back in 72. Have had 5 bikes since and have yet to settle into a rocking chair "crusier". New riders need to understand most people will run over you and never put down the phone. It hurts to get run over no *****. Dress for riding with full leathers ect. Good outfits are $1000 for helmet,boots,gloves,jacket minimum. Be prepared to cough up for the riding gear.Ease yourself into heavy traffic. Build up experience on backroads and lite traffic areas BEFORE you hop onto I-40 at 8a.m.Three months minimum lite traffic riding.Take a safety course on riding and pay attention, I know that is a challenge for all you ADDs out there but remember it is hard to attract babes (old expression) from a wheelchair and even tougher if you are dead.Very few babes want to hang out with dead guys. Finally understand that just because you ride your bike fast and act like an ******* being a newbie does not mean you have a big **** it just means you are an idiot.

jodiesel 03-13-2002 02:08 AM

Re: New Riders section at MO
I learned to ride on a Vmax. Every first timer should start out on a large, heavy bike with lots of horsepower. It will make them learn quicker what not to do.......

jstoker_1 03-13-2002 02:09 AM

Re: New Riders section at MO
In the US, at least, the best advice I have heard or could give is "Motorcycle Safety Foundation". Their basic and advanced courses are, I believe, invaluable when it comes to safety, fun, and cheap. Hard to beat.

pplassm 03-13-2002 02:17 AM

Re: New Riders section at MO
The thing you mention are doable, but the hardest, most frustrating part of any restoration is re-establishing a title. Local DMV's are not very helpful, and the only non-title state I know of (Maine) has raised the registration rates to control the influx of title re-establishers.

If there was an easy cheap way to do this in any state, I'd pay to know about it.

Pete P.

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