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Old 11-20-2001, 09:49 PM   #81
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Default Re: Buell XB9R Firebolt reader feedback

Well, heck what's with the frame is it's also the gas tank.
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Old 11-21-2001, 12:44 AM   #82
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Default Re: Buell XB9R Firebolt reader feedback

Seems like all the stuff that broke on previous buells were designed out of this bike.

the motor mounts are of an entirely different material. the rear shock was moved. the swingarm is still mounted directly to the motor cases but the arm itself is of a fundamentally different type.



also, remember that the "Sportster shake" is made far worse than it has to be because of the insanely long stroke (by today's standards.) Check the specks: the XB is way oversquare, so the nature of the vibes should be different. I think most who have at least test-ridden a Buell know that they smooth way out above 3k RPM, and can attest to the effectiveness of the uniplaner mounting thing.



If you go to H-D's site, and look at the Engine Gallery (or whatever they call it), it seems to show that a new Sportster motor comes out about two-five years after a new big-twin motor debuts.

So maybe they will surprise us with a counterbalanced, more square Sporty, and the Buells will get it/adapt it.



I am proud to be an American, in one of the few countries that assumes I have an inborn right FROM GOD to buy and drive whatever I please. I hope the self-proclaimed patriot here doesn't get elected, because then we'd be in China (been there) where if you don't buy the national brand, you can be jailed for Disloyalty to the Party (i.e.-treason.) But, hey, those are usually only 3-5 month sentences, so how bad can it be, right?



And I said that to make this point.

BMW uses pushrods in every R-bike thy build...no major reliability issues; quirky, certainly, but not independable. Yamaha builds heaps of cruisers in the Star Family that are air-cooled, tandem v-twins. Anyone heard about severe reliability issues from the 650cc? Or the 1100? Or the 1600? The Road Star uses pushrods too....And they point out a legitamate techie reason for it, other than style...shorter engine height, which means lower center of gravity, which means better handling...even in a cruiser.



It is cliche, perhaps, but I think a truism. In Japan, most workers would feel personal shame if they knowingly did less than the best that was possible on the automotive line. And it is certainly true that if anyone found out, they would be exposed to subtle but severe public embarassment, which may also hurt their advancement. Meanwhile, at least the Italians are "Passionate" enough to do the maintenance on their "love-affair" bikes. And the Germans have a nationally inborn obsessive-compulsive disorder that keeps them at the bench until it's right. So they have a ten thousand mile break in period? So what? YOU VILL OWN IT FOREVER!!



Meanwhile, the american worker has perfected the art of the strike. "Our quality is low beacuse our wages are low." (Notice that no connection is usually made at the Labor-Mgmt. negotiation table between QC and personal & colective work ethic.)

So pay us more, so we can have better "quality of life" (read: fewer hours and more vacation) and then we'll be motivated to match our Asian counterparts...or else we'll throw a tantrum and go home.



The problem is not pushrods.

The problem is not air-cooling.

The problem is not even 2 valves per cylinder. (Buell says it's nearly impossible to manage the internal 'hot-spots' in an air-cooler with multi-valve heads. Really? Both the Beemer R-bikes and the Yammie cruisers use four valve heads with no problems other than more "go".)



The problem is not the country of origin.

The problem is spoiled laborers with little work ethic beyond the beer at the end of the shift.



I would love to be proven wrong, not by flames (they'll certainly come anyway), but by improved American product quality such that I, the average American Joe, could readily purchase a reliable, long-lasting American motor vehicle that would not only give me pride, but also not take me to the cleaners.



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Old 11-21-2001, 02:57 AM   #83
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Default Gas in the Frame

Does anyone have any experience bending frames back to true after a crash? How would this work where the gas is stored in the frame? I can't find it now (figures), but I could swear I read that the inside of the frame had to be coated with something (for corrosion resistance), and wouldn't that be a problem when you go bending the frame around to straighten things up?



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Old 11-21-2001, 03:39 AM   #84
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Default Re: Buell XB9R Firebolt reader feedback

I haven't read all the posts here but alot of them are typical slams at H-D and Buell for old technology in the engines and what not.



How many of you have even ridden a new Softail anyway? They are incredible. Even compared to the Japanese competition in the cruiser category.



The V-Rod is obviously awesome too.



The Firebolt engine has little in common witht the old one other than that it is a 45 degree v-twin. Most of the parts are not interchangeable from what I have heard.



I recently read an article about the last Pro-Thunder race in which they had a Firebolt that was pumping out something like 130 RWHP.



HELLO!!!!!!!!



More top end from this engine is easily obtainable. Some basic changes to aftermarket exhaust, cams, Power Commander and the like will wake up this motor in a hurry. These are things that most bike owners change anyway.



I have a 1990 Sportster that has 95 hp and 88 ftlbs. at the rear wheel and is still totally streetable. It hasn't broken down once and I ride it to 7000+ rpm regularly.



I can't wait to get my hands on this new Buell and tweak that motor. With the short stroke it should really sing to 8000+.



See ya in the twisties. In my rear views that is.



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Old 11-21-2001, 03:45 AM   #85
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All very good points except.... The labor is the problem with quality. I am an Engineer for a supplier to the Big 3. Most of what gets built on a production line is Robotic. No Human interaction with Most of the product. The only job a human does anymore on a production line is load parts into a magazine to supply the robot with fresh parts.

I believe the quality problem is the amount of R & D American companies put into there products. It all goes back to the Bean counter. The Japanese and Germans are known for how much $ they invest into R & D. American companies have to keep the share holders happy. American stock holders are more hell bent not only for profits but more profits than the last quarter. Japanese and German companies are helped out by there Governments. Remember we are about as close to a real capitalist sosciety as they get. Japan and Germany are very socialistic governments.

Americans be it Engineers or Blue coller guys on the line are very skilled. Just as skilled as there Metric counterparts.
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Old 11-21-2001, 04:12 AM   #86
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Default Re: Buell XB9R Firebolt reader feedback

Why is it when I think of this bike and its fuel holding frame, as well as its oil holding swingarm, do the words "Ford Pinto" and "Boom" continue to go through my head?
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Old 11-21-2001, 04:16 AM   #87
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I agree that this thing looks great, it really does. But Buells track record is very poor. I wouldn't want one myself. i'd be to concerned with it spending most of its time in the shop for various repairs over the course of a season. Also, right now it's totally an unproven technology. I'd wait a couple of years for them to try to get the bugs out that will surely surface over that time.



But it is good looking. Maybe I'll ride one next year at Americade for the hell of it.
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Old 11-21-2001, 04:17 AM   #88
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Default Re: Buell XB9R Firebolt reader feedback

Agreed, sales tax in the UK is higher than in the US, but it's no more than it is in many EU countries. Licensing costs are a very small part of the equation. Grey importing usually involves bikes which aren't officially imported, often Japan-only models, so cost comparisons aren't valid. But wherever you go in Europe, the cost of bikes is pretty much the same - and somewhere between thirty and fifty percent more than you pay in the US. My point stands, I think.
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Old 11-21-2001, 04:34 AM   #89
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Default Sadly, the new Daytona DOES NOT have a single-sided swingarm

The newest iteration of the Daytona dumped the single-sided swingarm for the more traditional one. It's butt-ugly now.



If you hurry, and if you like green, you can buy a special anniversary edition that still has the cool swingarm.



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Old 11-21-2001, 04:38 AM   #90
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Default VFR not a sportbike?

Really..and why is that? Becuase it has a clock & fuel gauge? Because you can ride it all day without removing the ice pick from between your shoulder blades?



Yup, they skimped on the suspension. Ohlins & race tech do wonders. Yup it's heavy. Deal with it.



But ask the guys at VIR riding the GSXRYZFCBR etc. that were passed by myself and another VFR rider going through the curves... It's not what you ride, it's HOW you ride it...



Stop worrying about having the latest hardware with the most HP and worry more about how you ride.. A monkey can go fast in a straight line, that's not hard...
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