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Old 10-04-2001, 09:37 AM   #11
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Default Too little juice

I like the styling and it would be nice if this sells, but I don't think it will. The 790 parallel twin is just too little muscle for a cruiser. The Bonnie and the W650 are nice little bikes, but I've never seen one off the showroom floor. I have to wonder it these are really meeting sales expectations.



I think they would sell some with the 955 triple in it, but Triumph must see it differently.
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Old 10-04-2001, 11:55 AM   #12
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Default Price comparisons

Shadow Spirit 750: $2000 cheaper

Shadow ACE 750: $2000 cheaper

Sportster 883: $2000 cheaper

Vulcan 800: $2000 cheaper

Marauder 800: $2000 cheaper

Intruder 800: $1500 cheaper

Vulcan 800 Custom: $1000 cheaper

Magna 750: $500 cheaper

V-Star 1100 Custom: $100 cheaper

Sportster 1200: same price

Shadow Sabre 1100: $200 more expensive

Guzzi California Stone 1100: $800 more expensive



In conclusion, the Bonnie America's MSRP isn't obscenely out of line, but it's high enough to make it a bad deal compared to other things out there. And Triumph wasn't a cruiser maker historically, so I'm not sure how much nostalgia will make up for overpricing.
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Old 10-04-2001, 12:00 PM   #13
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Well, I ride a 600cc V-twin (30-35hp), and it's got "enough" muscle for a cruiser...given a $5000 MSRP. It's not that the Bonnie America is underpowered, it's that it's underpowered for the price.



There are a couple W650s in my town, but that's the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, so a retro-scrambler-standards sells better than it would for most of the nation.
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Old 10-04-2001, 12:10 PM   #14
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Default Re: Bonneville America Reader Feedback

The latest MotorCylist Magazine has a brief interview with Carlo Talamo. Pictured on the same page is a 1-off Bonneville cafe racer he built. Rear-sets, fork gaters, clip-on's, the whole look is there. I have a pretty good feeling that this is the shape of things to come for the Bonneville.
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Old 10-04-2001, 12:24 PM   #15
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61hp and 790cc for $8,000.00. No thanks! Looks good though.
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Old 10-04-2001, 12:56 PM   #16
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Default Re: Price comparisons

Shadow Spirit 750: $2000 cheaper TOO SMALL (physically)

Shadow ACE 750: $2000 cheaper UNDERPOWERED, NOT AS SMOOTH LOOKING, BUT NICE (owned one)

Sportster 883: $2000 cheaper CHICK BIKE

Vulcan 800: $2000 cheaper VANILLA AND NON-COOL

Marauder 800: $2000 cheaper CRAPPY SEAT/SMALL CHASSIS

Intruder 800: $1500 cheaper VANILLA AND NON COOL

Vulcan 800 Custom: $1000 cheaper VANILLA AND NON-COOL

Magna 750: $500 cheaper ACK! Great Engine, Lame chassis/Brakes!

V-Star 1100 Custom: $100 cheaper PLAS-TEEK!

Sportster 1200: same price FAT CHICK BIKE

Shadow Sabre 1100: $200 more expensive A Contender (GREAT comfort)

Guzzi California Stone 1100: $800 more expensive Too close to C*M Guzzler



This new Triumph is one of the best looking,non freakish, non-jap cruisers I have seen released. A bit more motor maybe, but a cheap way to get a unique, fonzie-esque ride! If you really wanna get picky, you can get late model Valks here for 9K OTD at several shops, but then, you have to deal with Valk looks, love em or hate em. I don't think any one can say this new Triumph is not very proportional and smooth looking...Understated cool. AYYYY!
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Old 10-04-2001, 12:58 PM   #17
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Default Re: Too little juice

I don't know about under muscled. That twin puts out 20 more horsepower than the evo hogs (friend's Road Thing dynoed at 41 hp) and about the same as the tc. Yeah, more inches give more low torque but the end result is the same... just a different point on the rpm scale.
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Old 10-04-2001, 01:01 PM   #18
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Pay twice that and get the same hp from a hog and not be as unique. I bet even hog riders will wave at a Triumph.
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Old 10-04-2001, 01:12 PM   #19
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I never knew that different cruisers had such definite personalities. Thanks for the education! I will probably still wave at all of them. Which ones don't wave back?
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Old 10-04-2001, 01:14 PM   #20
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So the Legent TT, Adventurer, and the Thuderbird were such dramatic US sales successes that they can add one more cruiser to their line?



Were all the potential buyers out there saying no to an inline triple so they could have a lower capacity lower power vertical twin?



If they want do go with "Cruiser Heritage" a raked out chopper with ape hangers and hardtail suspension would be the way to go, since so many people cusomized Triumphs this way in the seventies.
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