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moose 07-16-2001 01:10 AM

Re: Some of us need all that power to ride fast, I guess...
 
it's time to quit sniffing glue, Ga-be; you're making a fool of yourself.

please reply & make a big ass of yourself.

BuellBoy 07-16-2001 02:04 AM

Re: 2002 Buell XB9R Firebolt
 
Two overhead valves per cylinder actuated by hydraulic pushrods in an air-cooled, 45 degree V-Twin with siamesed crankpins. Nope, that's a modified Sportster motor. As you said, this is a small company that moves in small steps. HONDA would build a "From-the-ground-up" engine, in fact they build several every year. This is just a modified, further hot-rodded Sportster motor.

JBL 07-16-2001 02:08 AM

Re: 2002 Buell XB9R Firebolt
 
Seems like it's the Buell that I've been waiting for. Previous models didn't entice me (reliability issues), but I was confident that something good would come along in time. I think that time has arrived! But then again, it could be the 'entry level' of a new range, especially if the pre F-Bolt models are discontinued. Still, I'd be happy with the F-Bolt at under $10K if it's reliable enough (nothing less than perfect is what I want). If there's going to be more models ranked higher than the F-Bolt, then I'd still be inclined to wait longer again...



Fuel capacity isn't overly generous, but for my type of riding that wouldn't be a big concern. Still, another US gallon isn't too much to ask?



The F-Bolt's stock muffler still cries out 'replace me with a better looking aftermarket item'. Some Jap bikes have reasonable looking OEM pipes which save the owner $$$ because they're quite appealing for a standard item (eg 2001 GSXR600). Looks aren't everything to some, but when your'e spending $10K, you'd expect something that is done right at the FACTORY. If HD gets its wheels made in Australia, why not let Australian exhaust manufacturer Staintune (http://www.staintune.com) be Buell's OEM supplier? No, I don't work for Staintune, but merely raising a point about leaving the specialists up to doing what they are good at without being expensive about it.



The things I like about the F-Bolt:



Good power/torque to weight

Fuel injection

Hydraulic lifters

Belt tensioner pulley

Character & individuality

Potential grin factor



Things I don't like about the new F-Bolt:



Limited fuel capacity

Will internal surface of 'fuel tank' corrode over time? (unknown factor here)

No mention of a decent primary drive tensioner

Ugly muffler (should fit any John Deere tractor though)

Shape & styling of wheel spokes aren't so attractive (OK I'm fussy)

Rear tyre width influenced by fashion (why so wide on a 80HP machine?)

Limited colour choice (black, metallic navy blue maybe?)

No choice of high rise bars at no extra cost (come on Buell, add value to your products!)

Maybe twin disc front brakes as an option as well?

Existing Buell owners may be disappointed with market value of pre 2002 models (that's not a fault of Buell, merely the progress of better products making previous models seem 'stale').



Seriously, if Buell took notice of the comments that Buell owners & would be owners, a much more 'complete' motorcycle could be achieved (planned for) without too much extra cost. So close, but still quite far...



Ride safe & ride another day.

littlepoison 07-16-2001 03:29 AM

Re: 2002 Buell XB9R Firebolt
 
lets get real people. sometimes it's not about how much HP it has at the rear wheel. sometimes it's how a bike makes you feel. if the bike has insane power but you don't like the way it looks then what's the point? most people don't have the riding prowess to take full advantage of the bike anyway.

ACE1100rider 07-16-2001 04:07 AM

Re: 2002 Buell XB9R Firebolt
 
You will never need 2 brake discs on a Buell for anything short of track work. It slows doen the steering and makes the brakes dangerously sensitive.

DrDeath 07-16-2001 05:30 AM

Re: On a twisty road,
 
All Hail the almight SV650!!!

tknelson 07-16-2001 07:28 AM

Re: must disagree here.
 
On gas in the frame: oil is not gas. There is a liability to storing gasoiline in a stressed member. I have seen wrecked bikes with oil-in-frame spew oil on the engine post-collision. I don't want to be riding when that happens with a gas-in-frame bike.



On oil in the swingarm: I already corrected and said 5-6 lbs: I was doing too many things at once and turned quarts into gallons (roughly 5 lbs./gallon hydrocarbons). True, the light wheels still benefit rotational inertia, but the swingarm is nonetheless a silly place to add weight: even if it is closer to the pivot (I can think of a lever...I have a Ph.D. in physics.) Furthermore, I really don't see how oil-in-swingarm saves weight and is more "centralized" than oil in the bottom of the crankcase. It isn't as though this arrangement lets you eliminate some cast iron oil tank somewhere: the engine still needs a bottom enclosure!



Tim

BlainetheMono 07-16-2001 07:40 AM

Re: I pass them all the time...
 
Until of course that VAGUE front wheel on the GSXR 1000 causes yet another crash and burn. How many bike magazines WRECKED thier GSXR 1000s during testing?? ALL OF THEM......I guess they arent experienced riders or the bike has a SERIOUS design flaw......



And you NEED that front wheel in the twisties now dont you???

BuellBoy 07-16-2001 07:54 AM

Re: I pass them all the time...
 
Not necessarily. Track time without instruction only allows you to practice your same bad habits at higher speeds. I suppose if you SURVIVE that idiocy you MIGHT have learned something (although what that would be I wouldn't care to guess).

LimeSqueezr 07-16-2001 07:57 AM

All motorcycles are inexpensive!?
 
You are either in an income bracket that's another galaxy to the average motorcyclist, or else you haven't priced all the motorcycles out there.



But I agree with the "ride what you like" part *because* for a great many it's by far the most expensive non-essential item they own (and for some "essential" would be more accurate).


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