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Old 05-24-2001, 07:21 AM   #31
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Default Ok, but just on the kickstarter issue...

why shouldn't a kickstarter be considered a practical thing to have, just because it's old? I like the bonnie better, but I've never seen a bike without a kickstarter that I didn't wish had one.
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Old 05-24-2001, 08:00 AM   #32
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Default Re: Triumph Bonneville Reader Feedback

Isn't it "C'est la vie"?
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Old 05-24-2001, 08:18 AM   #33
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Default Kick starters suck

As a 120 pound teenager, my Enfield 750's kick starter threw me over the handlebars many times (good thing i wore a helmet). Now as a (slightly overweight) 140 pound adult, i'd probably do better, but I don't really want to. I don't need the romance of kick start and I'm light enough that I'm willing to accept the extra weight of an electric starter; besides with fuel injection you really need a battery - so if my 916's battery goes dead, I ain't likely to be push starting it so I say stuff the kick starter.



I think the Bonnie is neat, but I'd far prefer a Norton Commando or an Enfield Interceptor though I'm not sure I'd buy either should either magically appear.
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Old 05-24-2001, 09:44 AM   #34
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Default All we need is more cruisers...

an even better idea would be the Savage given British styling instead of that wannabe chopper-esque styling that's getting a bit stale to say the least. Offer a 750 twin AND the current thumper engine but keep the latter priced down around the $4K range like it is now. IOW an Enfield Bullet you don't have to be a mechanic to own. That would be a hit for both newbies and the old fart riders who've decided they're no longer into having their eyeballs squashed along with their life savings.
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Old 05-24-2001, 10:26 AM   #35
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Default Re: Triumph Bonneville Reader Feedback

Personally I much prefer the Kawasaki. I hate the way Triumph have tried too hard to make an ohc engine look like the old one. What would I know though? I started riding in the '70s on two strokes. Funny thing however, my mate who owns a '62 Manx, used to be an Irish road-racer, and has owned everything from a Velo Thruxton to an MV Agusta 750 agrees with me. The W650 captures the size and style of a british twin better by using elements of several bikes without being a copy of any particular one. The bevel-drive cam adds a bit of class too, if you think Manxes and Ducatis are cool. Kiwi Rider magazine put a set of knobbies on a W650 and took it on an adventure (dual-sport) ride. They had a ball. With high pipes, a bash plate, and lower gearing etc, I think it would be a blast. I wouldn't try it on a new Bonneville though. Plus you save NZ$4000 by buying a Kawasaki that already has gaiters, knee pads, and a tacho.
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Old 05-24-2001, 12:49 PM   #36
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Default 24 less HP???!!!

Try 14 hp. My father's W650 makes 47 hp. If the Bonnie makes 61, then do the math: 61-47=14. And considering that the Bonnie has 25% more displacement than the W, that's to be expected.



If more displacement always means better, than isn't a TL1000 automatically a better motorcycle than an SV650? An R1 automatically better than an R6? Or could it be that some people just like smaller motorcycles?
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Old 05-24-2001, 02:27 PM   #37
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Uh, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper and simpler to just buy a Kawasaki KLR650 than take a W650 and make a dual-purp out of it? I mean, the W650 will be just about as ugly as the KLR (described by one journalist as looking like a trash bag with wheels) once it's all covered with mud.
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Old 05-24-2001, 02:33 PM   #38
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Default Re: 24 less HP???!!!

You're right, the 24 was derived from earlier reports that the Kaw had 44 hp and the triumph had 68. Anyway, I didn't say the triumph is better, I asked if the Kaw was really better, implying that it's not necessarilly a better bike just because of cosmetic details. I was not at all implying that it's worse.



No the TL1000 isn't AUTOMATICALLY better, it's better because it has better suspension components that come with the bigger price.
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Old 05-24-2001, 02:43 PM   #39
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Default Try kicking a KZ650.

The very notion it might throw you would make you laugh if you'd ever kicked one. You could start it with your hand, and I have. Most modern motors have a drastically shorter stroke than your old enfield and turn very easily, much like smaller UJMs of the past.
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Old 05-24-2001, 03:01 PM   #40
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Default Re: Triumph Bonneville Reader Feedback

Kiwi, let me begin by saying



THANK YOU!!!!



All those ignorant folks calling a W650 a Bonneville clone should be asked to show us a picture of a Bonneville with a tower shaft! In fact, I can't recall hearing of any production 650 twin (the Universal British Motorcycle) with a tower shaft, although several racing bikes and sports singles had them from before the Bonneville came out (actually from before the Second World War...)



That was a neat touch IMO, and solved the problem of how to include the OHC Kawasaki was familiar with into a retro bike.



As for kickstarters, I learned to ride on a Nighthawk 450 that had no kickstarter and a not terribly good alternator. I learned how to bump start before I learned how to ride properly. One of the attractions of my 200 twin is that it has a kickstarter. It also has an electric starter. The electric starter doesn't work. It can be fixed, but I don't care; I never use it. As far as I'm concerned, the electric starter is a luxury back up for when I feel lazy, the real way to start is to kick the starter. But then I've always tried to be a minimalist and I have for a long time been a bicyclist.



OTOH, I've never ridden a big bike with a kickstarter, so I don't know if I would end up with a broken leg or a concussion with the W650...
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