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Old 04-12-2001, 02:30 PM   #211
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Default Re: Oh the shame

Where did I say hp makes lap times? I didn't say it. Everything you've responded to were assumptions of yours, not anything I actually said.
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Old 04-12-2001, 02:48 PM   #212
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Default Re: What MO doesn

That's right, I posted 3x this time in 3 different locations to see if they all get pulled.



Notably, my posts didn't get pulled but the Yamaha ads on the MO homepage and within the open bike shootout have all been strangely replaced with KOA ads...go figure...



In addition, MO also didn't so much as acknowledge this post either.
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Old 04-12-2001, 02:58 PM   #213
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that the street doesn't breed track skills.







That said, I'd make that same bet you did with any racer, in the traffic of my choosing.
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Old 04-12-2001, 03:19 PM   #214
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Default Is 929 BHP correct?

Did I read the bhp correct at 120? A buddy of mine recently dyno'd his and it was 127. When I rode his bike the day he got it I have to say I wasn't impressed with the power. However, after it was properly broken in I swear there was an increase in power. It did NOT feel like the same bike. Has anyone else experienced this? Maybe if MO included a bike that wasn't so deficient in power it may have faired better in the test.
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Old 04-12-2001, 04:01 PM   #215
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Default Re: Open Bike Shootout Feedback!

What ever happened to a street bias? If so, you openly admitted that the 9R and 929 would be best suited as street bike - now why rank them for the track?



On another note, do you guys purposely ignore the rest of the motorcycling world outside of Japan? I see no Tiumph Daytona, no Duc 996 / 900SS, no Aprilia Millie / Falco, no Benelli, no Buell X1 ...

All these bikes (maybe not the 900ss) should have a fair shot at best bike when weighted for REAL WORLD street bias - not track.



The average guy/gal does not buy his bike for track days, they'll buy it for the street. Admittedly, HP, Torque, suspension, steering, handling all play a part - but backroads and a well maintained racetracks have little in common.
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Old 04-12-2001, 06:31 PM   #216
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Default 929 BHP is low...

The dyno for your 929 was only 120? A friend of mines dyno'd at 127(stock). He and I both agree after it was properly broken in (~4000miles) it had a significant increase in seat of the pants power. Has MO experienced this on their 929?



Has the R1 established a benchmark since the GSXR is too much for the average schmoe? I remember reading articles in 98 about the R1 that mirrored sentiments you have about the GSXR. I would actually prefer manufacturers invest more R&D in the handling department.



Brent- You mentioned pitting a Porsche against a bike at Willow Springs to see how they relate. Great idea!! Would love to see it. An R1 owner has videos of him on his site racing a 911 GT3 at the Nurgurging track in Germany...it's awesome...you have to see it to believe it

http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/default.htm
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Old 04-12-2001, 06:33 PM   #217
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Default Re: Open Bike Shootout Feedback!

Lots of interesting comments about the shoot out. I find it very funny though that the only people complaining are those that own one of the bikes that didn't finish first. Kind of makes you wonder if the same people complaining would be silent if they still owned or have ridden an R-1? None the less I love to read all the complaints so keep on writing HE HE HE!
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Old 04-12-2001, 07:41 PM   #218
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Default Re: Open Bike Shootout Feedback!

The bikes you tested... were they all 50 state bikes, or were some, like the R1 and GSXR1000 49-staters?

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Old 04-12-2001, 10:07 PM   #219
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Hey, MO.

Thanks for the info on the bikes in the shoot out, I wouldnt buy any of them, but i enjoyed reading the info all the same. you gus did a good job!

And it floors me how all these crybabies and moan over a bike test that they more than likely read for free! c'mon guys, if you dont like it, go some where that you will like, so we dont have to hear ya complain.
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Old 04-13-2001, 02:49 AM   #220
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If you want to know how these bikes behave during a 24h abuse treatment, tuned and stock, check:

http://www.lemans.org/24h_mans/aco_gb.html



For the 24h Le Mans bike race this weekend, including the Gixxers, R1, R7, 996, Mille, Voxan CR, ZX-12R etc.



Enjoy.



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