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Old 04-11-2007, 03:37 AM   #1
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Default Re: A Factor of X: BMW G 650 Series

Neat, but only worth it if you're a BMW diehard.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:45 AM   #2
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Please forgive me if I don't get the whole BMW "thing". I guess it's sort of like preferring a certain American V-twin.



Compared to other bikes, especially off-road, these things are overweight, overpriced and don't have enough gears in the transmission.



Get a KTM.
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:36 AM   #3
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I don't get it either. A riding buddy of mine owns 6 BMWs. They spend far more time being repaired than my 5 mostly ancient Japanese bikes. The quality reputation isn't even true. It's just a holdover from the 60's.
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:57 AM   #4
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Pretty cool stuff coming out of BMW these days. If they get prices in line like Ducati seems to have done, then I think things will take off for them.
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:57 AM   #5
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I just attended a demo day for KTM. The regional rep said that, including dirt bikes, KTM is now the largest selling European motorcycle manufacturer in the US. It's second in Europe.



BMW also just recently debuted a competition off-road mount Here's a link to photos:



http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...ghlight=enduro



With the release of some highly touted street bikes, (read the Superduke write up in CW this month?) KTM is challenging BMW. BMW is stepping up with interesting new models. This is WAR!



It's a great time to buy a new bike!



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Old 04-11-2007, 06:42 AM   #6
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These engines are not maintenance *****s like KTM. (I have owned a KTM) That Rotax 650 is proven reliable and has a great service life. checked these out at a local dealer. They really are great quality. The plastic is substantial and does not feel cheap.

Seat was far better then any KTM and all quality components. You need to see these in person to appreciate the details. KTM's are off road competition bikes, the BMW is a duel sport trail bike.
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:48 AM   #7
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I'm a little to old for the "Xtreme" thing.... I think the F 800 ST will be a fun and practical bike and of course with 800's soon the be the dominant size in motorcycling it's ahead of the curve as it were.



All BMW needs to do is teach the great unwashed that a "little" 800 is going to be quicker and better handling than there 1800cc 1000 lb.boat anchor and they'll sell like hot cakes.



Maybe they should have Peter Fonda and Jay Leno ride around on them at the intro so the sheep will see it's ok to have one
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:55 AM   #8
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Shoot. When I saw "BMW Single" I was hoping to see a boxer engine sawed in half, with an oilhead cylinder sticking horizontally out of one side and a blank plate on the other. Where is the tradition, the heritage? BMW needs to review HD's success.
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FWIW, "hard enduro" is a term used in Germany to differentiate real off-road bikes from street oriented DS bikes like KLR650s, XT600s etc. These are referred to as "soft enduros". Really.
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Old 04-11-2007, 07:10 AM   #10
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Sounds like the X-Challenge is more of a "soft" than a "hard".
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