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Old 03-24-2001, 10:04 PM   #21
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Default For crying out frickin' loud.....

Maybe you'd like her to to throw herself off the bike at speed so we can truly ascertain the jacket's protective qualities.



Buying a jacket is a 95% subjective decision. Any given jacket (or pants or gloves or boots for that matter) is going to fit any given person differently. I thought the review was fine, considering that any comments about the way that the jacket fits a slim, 115lb (sorry if I'm off here Danielle, this is a complete guess) woman have virtually no relevance to the way that it fits a 190lb man. You want to know how it fits? Go try one on.
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Old 03-25-2001, 08:03 AM   #22
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Default screw the jacket

I am a really stupid moron, I apologize for posting here
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Old 03-25-2001, 10:35 AM   #23
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Default Gee....

I thought we made people register to eliminate this sort of thing.....
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Old 03-25-2001, 02:20 PM   #24
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Default Re: Alpinestars Dyno Jacket Reader Feedback

Wow, is this Ted Kaczinskis long lost brother or what. Some points are great but does this guy do Pr. for Vanson or Z or what. Last time I went on a group ride I saw jeans but no shorts, tank tops or flip flops. As far as the quality of Alpinestars hey, I've been pleased with the gloves and boots I've used. No they aren't up to the quality of frey datona and dainese but hey, I ride a GSXR tuned for street, not a NSR500. If you race buy the best protection possible and then bick a bike/class to fit your remaining budget because serious racing is a commitment to crashing. THe rest of us, are probably reasonably well served by off the rack leathers, sure they don't fit perfectly but hey, I'm not headed out to explore the fine line between maximum performance and a highside.

In the mean time heres a piece of kit that is functional and also quite stylish of the bike... THis way we won't all look like power rangers.

Last point, keep the women coming, not as eye candy but as a part of our community. I wish 50 percent of the riders I see were women....





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Old 03-25-2001, 04:48 PM   #25
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Default Re: screw the jacket

You should really save the money for a lobotomy. It will help your personality a lot. Trust me.



Frankly it's comments like that that make me wish this was moderated. It helps keep down on the trolls, including the registered ones.
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Old 03-25-2001, 08:05 PM   #26
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Default Sausage King misses the point

Hey, way to miss the point there. I guess I don't see how asking someone to wear RIDING APPAREL while actually doing some RIDING is asking a whole lot. Especially from a site where one would assume someone has a liscense to do such a thing.

Sure, buying a jacket is subjective. Again, not the point. Fit should most definitely be a part of a review, especially considering the review is of a garment. This site and some magazines go to near anal lengths to describe and a bike's dimensions from the saddle when you can just go out and sit on one but it wouldn't be a complete review without such things would it? Not to mention that it's much easier to just sit on a bike as opposed to tracking down a specific jacket and then finding it in your size in a lot of places.



For all the little things this site includes in every other article(changes in bore and stroke, changes in seat height, peg placement- the last two you'd never notice the way the manufacturers move them at 10ths of an inch from one year to the next), which they claim sets them apart(and which are becoming noticeably absent), you'd think the fit of a jacket while in its intended arena of use would be something they'd think to explore... not mention mind you, because this young lady didn't even have a liscense at the time of this article's conception(does she yet?). For cryin' out loud Abe... quit settling for less than MO's best.
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Old 03-26-2001, 07:04 AM   #27
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Default Now see here....

I don't think I missed the point. This is what I am trying to say: what difference does it make whether she rides with the jacket on or not? It is invariably going to fit her differently than me, so while I'll take her comments about fit for what they're worth, I am not going to buy the jacket because of them. I think her lack of analysis of fit while riding, bending over, falling off the bike, doing jumping jacks, etc., is no big deal, since it wouldn't mean much to me anyway. If she HAD ridden a hundred miles with it on, and said the fit was great, would you have gone out and bought it thinking that it would fit you the same way, even though you undoubtedly have a completely different body structure? Maybe there would be a case where I would buy a jacket without trying it on first (i.e. mail order) but I would be prepared to send it back when it didn't fit right.



I think she commented on the style, quality and construction of the jacket nicely, and that's about all you can ask for with a piece of clothing.
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Old 03-26-2001, 08:24 AM   #28
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Default Re: Alpinestars Dyno Jacket Reader Feedback

How did this get moderated to 2, labeled interesting. If anything it should have been moderated down (too lengthy, too overly critical, etc.)



As the MSF instructor posted in reply, they encourage people to wear "at least" (I added that) jeans. I know many people who have full leathers, or riding suits (stitch) but on occasion opt for a pair of jeans and their riding jacket only. I have been riding for 3 years and only wearing draggin jeans (kevlar jeans) for the last 2 years. I just haven't spent the money on a full riding suit yet.



I can't believe somebody ripped up a good review with a bunch of slams of what this person (or others are wearing). Has this guy never seen the very unprepared squids (shorts, tank-top & flip-flops) riding around? Lighten up man.
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Old 03-26-2001, 10:53 AM   #29
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Default Re: FZ-1!!!!

Just a question for MO, did your FZ1 come through a dealer or direct from Yamaha, I have one on order but my dealer hasn't gotten any in and no other dealers in my area have either, I am getting jumpy now that I know they are in the US.
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Old 03-26-2001, 05:13 PM   #30
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Default well I guess you have a different definition of

"serious". Motorcycles are obviously just a sport or pastime for you. I've never worn motorcycle pants on the street. I've got nothing against doing so, but the idea that someone wearing jeans on a motorcycle is a "novice" is just ridiculous, and I hate that whole "my other car is a bike" crap. I think people who wear bike gear to "let people know" when they're driving a car are sad posers. I'll wear what I wear depending on where I'm going, because this is real everyday transportation for me, not a toy. Real people who use these things as real tools don't suit up for the track to go get a gallon of milk, and the only time I suit up for the ride to work is a rubber rainsuit in winter. Of course you're safer in a full suit than jeans--so what. Skin grows back, mine did. If I have the choice of grow some new skin every 5 years, or wear full leathers every day, I'm choosing the skin (and skin is free!). It's not like it'll protect you in a REAL accident unless you got some built in airbags... and land in water. I guess it might make a difference how often you figure you'd be putting that suit on, for those of us without cars that'd be pretty often. Oh, and I only wear boots because they fit my feet better. Being she's a beginner I could see a case for boots, but I'd say all she really needs in those pics are gloves, a lid, and a restrained throttle hand (at first).
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