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Old 01-17-2007, 10:20 AM   #121
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Default Re: Excellent Counterpoint.

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There's no good answer to that "where does it end" question. Fact is, all that needs to happen for the gov't and insurers is to see a measurable difference in reduction of claims and deaths. It doesn't even have to be a big difference at first. It will take anywhere between 5-10 years to compile a true statistical chart on the subject.

The following will be a fact, however: If manatory training or tiering happens the insurance industry will react positively within the first three years and stablize rates. Across the board in all bike sectors the rates will freeze for a minimum of 3 to 5 years. Take it to the bank. I work way to hard for my company to not understand this fact. I know too many people in the insurance industry to be swayed otherwise.
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Old 01-17-2007, 10:30 AM   #122
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Default Re: Tiered Licensing - A Counterpoint

True on the tiered part but in some way the gov't would require "seasoned" riders to go through continued education class every decade or so. I can see it happening. But as most of you know- you can never know too much and CE classes would do some of us old guys some good, too. Just make it affordable- say $50-100 for CE classes.

Once again "where does it end" right?

My opinions are based on professional insight of the industry as a whole. Otherwise, I'm quite Libertarian. If it doesn't infringe upon my life, liberty or pursuit of happiness then leave me alone.
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Old 01-17-2007, 11:32 AM   #123
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So I guess it's not the generous pay?
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Old 01-17-2007, 11:50 AM   #124
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Keep this up, the entire HawkList will show up here........



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Old 01-17-2007, 11:55 AM   #125
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Default Re: One other simple thing: Actually REQUIRE a liscence...

Well, maybe a wee bit more than 50%.........



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Old 01-17-2007, 12:04 PM   #126
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What would have happened to them if their 'first dive' had been, oh, i dunno, in the kelp beds of the Calif coast?
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Old 01-17-2007, 12:07 PM   #127
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I'm pretty sure riding is a privilege and not a right. There is a difference between taking away someones privileges and someones rights.
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Old 01-17-2007, 12:07 PM   #128
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My dad got into motorcycle rideing after I did. His first bike he bought was a Goldwing. I begged him to buy something more managable but didn't succede. He took the MSF course first. I did get him to use my Triumph Trident to start on for a few months(not really a starter bike either) and he only dropped it once in the driveway and broke a turn signal. So far he has put on over 5K in 1 year on the Gold Wing with no incident. Lucky? Does this argue against a tiered system? I don't know. I now ride a R1200GS which is not a small bike, I have no desire to ride the Gold Wing, the bulk intimidates me.
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Old 01-17-2007, 12:07 PM   #129
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I think--oh look! A pony!
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Old 01-17-2007, 12:08 PM   #130
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Your last sentence is the kicker. You and I are very close on this one.......you just have more confidence in government's ability to "end it" before infringeing on my life liberty or pursuit of happiness. I'm afraid if we start asking for more laws ,government will abide and "help " us a little too much. You draw the line after tiered licensing and "continuing education"...I draw it after mandatory initial education and tougher test standards. KPAUL draws it after mandatory FULL FACE helmets,mandatory gloves/pants/jackets/gloves(approved by Govt?)/3 year retests,etc. How far out will non motorcycling government offficials draw the line?
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