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Old 01-03-2007, 07:17 PM   #31
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There seems to be this inane idea by those who disagree with Gabe that some degree of regulation is, in and of itself, a good thing. How foolish.



Why have a licence or restriction of any kind? Anyone of any age with the necessary $$$ should be able to buy whatever he/she wants and go out and ride it on the public roads.



Whats the difference between a 13 yr old with the bucks and a 16 yr old??



Got enough dough to buy a Lear jet? Well, let 'er rip. Lessons?? We don't need no stinkin lessons!! Licence?? Government claptrap and a hidden tax.



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Old 01-03-2007, 07:18 PM   #32
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While i do believe a tiered system would have it's benefits, i believe those of us who support the concept are looking at it the wrong way. In Australia, for example, the restriction system doesn't limit displacement specifically. It limits power.


Just to clarify for non-Aussies (and probably some Aussies), the learner system is different from state to state. For example, New South Wales has a power-to-weight resstriction of 150kw/tonne *plus* an upper limit on engine size of 660cc, for learner riders. In contrast, Queensland only has an engine capacity limit of 260cc. So something like an RS250 or RGV250 is learner-legal in QLD (and has unsurprisingly resulted in many accidents) but not learner-legal in NSW.


IMHO (as I posted elsewhere) the increasing prevalence of electronic engine management systems provides a golden opportunity for power-to-weight restrictions to be applied fairly, regardless of engine capacity, allowing people to take the same machine all the way from their learner days to their full licence and make motorcycling easier, cheaper and safer for everyone.
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:20 PM   #33
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I'm 40, married, don't drink and ride, don't ride on Friday and Saturday night, I have my M1 and I've been riding for 20 years.



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Old 01-03-2007, 07:22 PM   #34
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Francis, you left out a few laws that might allow teenagers to negotiate their way into mature adults.



A few I would suggest:



Obey speed limits (already on the books)

Don't do drugs (ditto)

Don't drink alcohol (ditto)

Don't smoke (ditto)

Practice abstinence or safe sex (partial ditto)

Get an education (mandated).



I'm sure that there are hundreds or thousands more laws and social mores that could be cited . Most, though, have to do with raising kids to the best of one's ability and trying to make THEM responsible human beings.



As a father and grandfather, I've had some failings. And, Lord knows, I've had many of my own.



After about age 12 or 13 or so, restrictions generally don't mean squat.



Early teaching (don't forget the 'by example' part), actual education, and more training will yield fewer fatalities.



And better motorcycle riders, too.

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Old 01-03-2007, 07:25 PM   #35
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How many pedestrians are injured by OTHER PEDESTRIANS (i.e. bicyclists - face it, a guy on a bike is just a quick-moving pedestrian) as compared to Motorcycles?
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:26 PM   #36
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:26 PM   #37
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Aye,.... THERE's the Rub.
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:29 PM   #38
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:29 PM   #39
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Is that R-U-B?
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Old 01-03-2007, 07:39 PM   #40
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Here in New Jersey a bicycle is a "moving vehicle" and must adhere to the traffic laws. Otherwise a bicyclist would be tempted to run a traffic signal, which I can tell you, can leave you flat on the pavement staring up at the front bumper of a car.



Lets not interchangeably use "injury" and "fatality".
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