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Old 10-31-2006, 02:07 AM   #51
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For that kind of money I could buy a brand new R1 and still have enough money to buy my friends '66 triumph and throw some real money at its restoration. So, I could have my perfomance cake with a side of cruiser fries and eat them both.
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Old 10-31-2006, 02:54 AM   #52
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Never mind pushrod/OHC concept, the guys who designed Victory (as well as those of Excelsior-Henderson) screwed up monumentally in the very basics. They should have gone directly to around 2000cc level and offer an honest American alternative in the heavyweight segment. What a gaping opportunity missed. I hope they feel silly. They would be now planning a major factory expansion just like Kawi.



Get the concept right or deserve to do annual paint jobs in another also-run ordinary middleweight getting beaten by H-D.



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Old 10-31-2006, 03:14 AM   #53
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Buz, from what I've read about the Hammer, you're probably right. But there's no reason for any of these bikes to have those rear tires...except, of course, the obvious poser appeal.



I swear I think I'm going nuts sometimes. I can't even keep up with the layers of irony heaped on some of these bikes.



"Performance cruisers" were invented, so to speak, to increase the capability and rideability of cruisers; to shed some of the form-over-function rap, right? So here we are once again coming full circle with features that are "faux performance," like the stupid fat tire fad.



Suzuki talks about all the GSX-R DNA in the (fabled) M109, and then, saddles it with a stupid fat rear tire.



H-D takes the V-Rod, which handled resonably well for such a long, raked-out bike, and guess what? It puts a stupid 240 rear tire on most of the new model variants.



My dopey buddy who doesn't even really enjoy riding his '03 V-Rod much almost got sucked into trading it for an '06 Night Rod Special (MSRP+$2000 mark-up+$1000 prep/freight), which really was done nicely in flat black with gloss black orange accents. Unfortunately, the NRS is tuned for slightly more power but seems to do most everything else worse, thanks to stuff added for that "performance look"--like drag bars that don't work with the riding position and, of course, that stupid fat rear tire.



I'm starting to think that the Performance Cruiser category will become the most cartoonish of all.
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Old 10-31-2006, 03:26 AM   #54
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Maybe they're just supposed to look fast. It's not really smart to haul ass between bar stops.
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Old 10-31-2006, 03:36 AM   #55
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Maybe it's easier to load them on the trailer for those "biker" runs with your rightious partyin' bro's from accounting?..
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Old 10-31-2006, 03:39 AM   #56
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It Might be worth the money if it had a 140 cu in engine instead of the measly 100
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:12 AM   #57
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I'm off to Washington DC.



Hold down the fort! I'll say hi to everyone's favorite pols.
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:28 AM   #58
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You can't say hi to Kook's favorite pols unless you are also going to Cuba and Venezuela.
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:42 AM   #59
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Actually, I think all they needed to do was come in at a price point about $1000 under the similar HD model for each and they would have sold like hotcakes. Then, when the demand is really there, start pricing some special editions at 20K.
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:59 AM   #60
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Very funny...wrong but funny..
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