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Old 10-23-2006, 04:31 AM   #11
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Default Re: Suzuki School's 'Market Awareness 101' is in session

It's more art-deco than modern...although I still like it (and the Rune, as well).



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Old 10-23-2006, 04:56 AM   #12
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Default Re: 2007 Suzuki Model Line-up

Looks like the Bandit will be a moderate success. Standards have yet to top the sales charts, in this country at least, yet they can be a solid addition to any manufacturerÂ’s line provided the design guys get it mostly right to begin with. There are probably a few younger riders attracted to this style motorcycle, but for the most part the target audience is probably fortyish and over. These are the people the builders need to pay attention too. I am recently retired, and starting to ramp up my riding, including longer road trips. I want comfort and luggage, but donÂ’t feel like I am ready to join the "Wingers". I still want something light and this new Bandit with ABS is tickling my fancy, at a time when my fancy is in need of tickling. Hmmm, can I say that in here?
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:01 AM   #13
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Default ABS cost on SV vs DL...

If you look at the photos, it sure looks like a proper ABS system...



The interesting thing is that it is cheaper on the DL. The DL has always been a "budget GS", where you could buy one, upgrade the suspension, add luggage, and have enough $$$ over to buy a SECOND one for the same price as a GS bimmer.



The one weakness was a lack of ABS, which is now corrected. IF we didn't ALREADY have a WeeStrom, we'd be getting one...



I think the WeeStrom ABS is cheaper relative to the SV because Suzuki thinks more people will buy it. THe type who buy the DL are largely those who rack up the miles on an all-rounder, and would therefore like the ABS. On the SV, fewer people will demand it so Suzuki compensates by having a slightly higher price.



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Old 10-23-2006, 06:29 AM   #14
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Default Re: 2007 Suzuki Model Line-up

Still nothing on the C109?
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:29 AM   #15
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Default Re: The Tenets of V-Twin Cruiser Aesthetics

In designing the M109, Suzuki made a cruicial mistake in ignoring one of the tenets of V-twin cruiser aesthetics: It has to sound right.



You can incorporate all manner of modern technology -- liquid cooling, double-overhead cams, fuel injection, etc. -- but don't mess with the single-pin crankshaft.



The loping, syncopated beat of a single-crankpin V-twin is the source of both its troublesome vibration and its charming aural signature.



Primary vibration can be mitigated with heavy crank counterweights or flywheel; secondary vibration can be held at bay with counter-rotating balancers. And both types of vibration can be isolated with rubber mounting.



But removing those vibrations by having the connecting rods ride on separate crankpins and thus providing even firing is akin to castration.



What does an even-firing two-cylinder engine sound like? Think lawn tractor. When you add aftermarket pipes to a twin-pin engine, all you succeed in doing is making it sound like a large lawn tractor with a bad muffler.



By going the twin-pin route, both Suzuki and Honda have turned their cruiser lines into armies of muscle-bound eunuchs.



Honda thankfully resurrected at least one single-pin model, the VTX1300. Kawasaki and Yamaha have kept the faith by retaining the requisite lope in their Vulcan and Star models.
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:31 AM   #16
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Default Re: ABS cost on SV vs DL...

Hmmm.... of the the F650 and GS riders I've talked to, they unanimously say the whole ABS system is a pain, especially for DP riding (on street opinions are mixed), so it doesn't interest me for a DL650. Though I guess I'll have to actually try an ABS bike one of these days to see. I find stopping with a traditional system easy enough if you have good rubber and an brake pads that aren't too powerful for street use (i.e., not going for uber grip track pads).



On a side vent... I know Suzuki's renown for not changing certain cheaper models (Katana & GS550 come to mind.) unless they're their top-sellers, but I wish Suzuki would actually update the DL650 instead of just adding a feature, or it's going to be eaten by the new Tiger.
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:34 AM   #17
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Default Re: 2007 Suzuki Model Line-up

The 750 from '06 is already a kick-ass and all new. You can't have new every year, or you never get the kinks out and the aftermarket guys go crazy.
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:42 AM   #18
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Default kpaul the GMP is right again

kpaul said more bikes would have ABS. The GPTB scoffed at kpaul but now kpaul is proved right again.
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:46 AM   #19
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Default Re: 2007 Suzuki Model Line-up

Let's see, so far this year Ducati, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Triumph, Guzzi, Aprilia, Yamaha...all offer at least one bike I'd like to own if I were a rich robber baron. Honda however, as usual........big yawn.



Maybe if some of these new ideas the others are offering pan out then Honda might offer a copy in a couple of years and call it innovation. So far all I've seen is that new CB1000 that's targetted at people who were waiting for a slightly detuned air/oil-cooled Bandit 1200.....Zzzzzzzzz.......
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Old 10-23-2006, 06:50 AM   #20
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Default Re: ABS cost on SV vs DL...

Good points, however Suzuki and Kawasaki are quite tiny compared to Honda and Yamaha but still seem to offer more updates each year. When I consider the massive resources of Yamaha and Honda compared to everyone else I can only wonder at their relative timidity.
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