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Old 09-02-2006, 02:35 PM   #21
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In the image posted, it looked like the track had a ~3.5° positive camber, and the bike was leaned ~53.5°, making for a ~50° lean angle of the bike relative to the track camber.



That's pretty good going.



Was a little confused about the 55° MotoGP lean angle comment though. Watching people like Capirossi at full lean, and that's gotta be way more than 55°. Looking around on the web even now and anything between 60-63° gets bandied about. In fact, the only reference to sub-60° lean angles seems to come from Michelin marketing material. Go figure.





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Old 09-02-2006, 02:53 PM   #22
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Okay, pictorial proof. You're going to have to try pretty hard to convince me that this isn't more than 55° of lean angle:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/motorcycler...06_1807_AN.htm
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Old 09-03-2006, 11:13 AM   #23
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Tyres? Toroidial and Black, Right? Or Toroidial and grey/yellow/blue/red/green/funkarific-coloured if a Tomahawk whacko-tyre.
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Old 09-04-2006, 03:09 PM   #24
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Default Michelin Macadams Are Gibberish to Me

I had some late 1990s Michelin Macadams on my bike, and they were some of the worst (and most expensive) tires I ever had the displeasure of bending into a corner. I think I even lost the front once, when I was off the brakes and on the gas. Strangest thing ever.



I mistakenly assumed, back then, that Doohan dominence translated to the street.



I don't know what was wrong those Michelins, but they nearly lowsided a few times.



From what I've read, since the Pilot was introduced, Michelin is back with good product-- and I'm sure they are. 51.8deg and all that.



But honestly, I don't think I'm ever going to take a chance with Michelin again.



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Old 09-04-2006, 03:51 PM   #25
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the 209gp works way better in the corners than the power race. michelin had a reputation of letting go with no warning. then the rumor was that the new ones didn't do that. two mystery lowsides in two weekends had me back at the dunlop vendor for some kung fu grip.

and anybody who thinks a street tire works ok as a race tire is going slow. notice i didn't say too slow. just slow. street tires grease up. i don't know about these new ones. maybe they will be different. i doubt it.
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Old 09-04-2006, 04:01 PM   #26
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it must have been way in the past. every manufacturer makes a good sport tire which will move a decent rider very swiflty. a pilot power running 28/28 in the summer at a track day running at a reasonable race pace will last six maybe seven laps before it greases up and drops your times by at least a second to a few seconds a lap. even on a lightweight bike. michelins don't suck, i just don't know why people actually believe the brand matters on the street or on a street riders track day excursion. simply put. it don't.
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Old 09-05-2006, 02:44 AM   #27
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When the Miller track first opened this spring alot of riders were shredding Powers, and others, due to the new surface. Freddie Spencer came out and informed us that Powers were designed to work best at higher PSI, and said he runs his school bikes on PP's at 36/37. Voila, all is good with wear and stick.



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Old 09-05-2006, 10:18 AM   #28
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That's interesting...i've had the Pilot Powers break lose in the corners before, and they start an easy slip/hop routine before they really lose it...difference in riding style perhaps?
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Old 09-14-2006, 04:48 PM   #29
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jeeez. another french joke...please show SOME originality.
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