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eekadog 08-14-2006 04:05 PM

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that's just super...i wonder if they'll have a racing series.

FrankS1 08-14-2006 04:33 PM

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I guess I am showing my age - while I would sure like to try one out, it looks strange, and I am not sure I'd want to buy one. Of course Schvetz is such a fine writer that he can make anything sound good. If his assessment is correct, Piaggio should sell them as fast as they can turn them out.

Now we need to have a comparo between the Piaggio and a traditional 3 wheeler. Surely the MO petty cash account could come up with the scratch to get, say, a Morgan 3 wheel with a JAP engine mounted out in the air stream. (OH, are you going to tell me that $50 might be all right, but not the $50,000 that a restored Morgan/JAP would cost..)

obandoj 08-14-2006 04:47 PM

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Great job Yossef, this is one very interesting machine, as the italian version of the video on the Piaggio website states, this thing is capable of turning at 40 degrees of lean! And the way it does the slalom in the wet as well as doing stopies also in the wet makes it a very promising piece of technological prowess by the italians. It might as well, as you said, be the way to a very capable sport bike, and since they own Aprilia and Moto Guzzi, I would not be surprised if we see something like that in the future. Again, great piece.

The_AirHawk 08-14-2006 04:53 PM

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This thing is Fantastic! I can't wait to lowside one!

When will they come to a Dealer near me?

Vlad 08-14-2006 04:56 PM

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This thing looks fantastic. I want to try out the 500cc vertsiion as soon as it is on the market. As an experienced sidehack rider, I find the three wheel concept adds a great deal to the "security" of the ride. But I don't particularly like the inherent imbalance of forces. Piaggio has done a great job of engineering here, the characteristics of a motorcycle and the stabillity of a sidehack in one machine. If it works as good as Yossef says, I think Piaggio could have a hit on their hands. Too bad an American manufacturer could not be as innovative.


ksquid 08-14-2006 05:09 PM

Quick death for three wheeler
File this one under "Because we could build it we did".. I predict that this will die a quick death in the market like that Corbin V-Twin 3 wheeler...3 wheeler is like a hybrid bike (mountain crossed with a road bike) you get the worst of each world not the best.

Tomas_P 08-14-2006 06:13 PM

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Oh, that is just bloody effing brilliant! I predict massive popularity, from both the motorcycling and non-motorcycling sides of the fence. And this innovative bit of engineering has been brought from concept to concrete not by the Japanese, but the Italians. Innnnteresting...

Can't wait to see the 500. That should be a hoot!

Tomas_P 08-14-2006 06:23 PM

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Yo KP... did you ever buy that Buell? Fun bike, isn't it?

ksquid 08-14-2006 06:26 PM

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Not yet...I go by the HD-Buell dealer every other day to lust .... Wife doesn't know I have the bonus.

nweaver 08-15-2006 03:17 AM

STRONGLY disagree...
3 wheelers which don't lean (eg corbin -> Disaster)

3 wheelers that lean like this don't have the center of gravity problem. This one in particular looks very VERY interesting: 2x the front-end grip of a motorcycle, but motorcycle steering dynamics, and the "its not two wheels, I feel more stable" is a big deal for a lot of the untapped market.

Combined with ~50mpg for a 500cc version and you'll sell it like hotcakes: all the mileage of that Prius, but 1/3rd the price.

obandoj 08-15-2006 03:30 AM

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Hey don't knock them Vlad, they do have a "new" twin cam 96, you know? Oh, and a 6 speed tranny! :)

obandoj 08-15-2006 03:36 AM

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Come on KP, all you need is some Viagra and the Buell will be yours :)

Buzglyd 08-15-2006 03:41 AM

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I think this thing could make some waves. The "no feet down" feature is great if you want to ride wearing your Gordon Rush loafers.

This would be great for picking my son up from school. Maybe an extra long "carpool version" is what we need.

bigdx 08-15-2006 04:52 AM

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I like the idea that you can hit that patch of gravel w/o doing a low-side. I am forever looking ahead at the road for things to avoid; with this setup I can relax and enjoy the scenery. Braking with two wheels up front should also be a lot safer than with a single.

Wonder if Harley will bring out a three wheel soft-tail soon Â…

sliphorn 08-15-2006 04:55 AM

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As always, great job Yossef. Being the scooter geek that I am, I remember seeing the MP3 a while back. Very cool, indeed. I sure hope Piaggio gets their act together here in the states. There's way too many horror stories about lousy dealers, poor support, crummy parts supply, etcetera. I'd love to give the 500 a try.

Gritboy 08-15-2006 05:41 AM

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Nope, since this one really leans and increases stability and the scooter market is HUGE in Europe and some other places, it's likely to be a huge seller. The key will be styling since the scooter crowds tend to be more about looks and storage utility than performance.

Gritboy 08-15-2006 05:46 AM

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Practice some dirt/trail riding on 2-wheels and you'll actually find most gravel patches won't take you down unless your at an extreme lean angle or apex of a curve. That said, I seriously doubt the MP3 will save you in a gravel patch if both tires are in the gravel.

The breaking thing should be cool... again though, most modern bikes break fine (even during extreme breaking) when you apply 'em correctly.

mscuddy 08-15-2006 06:49 AM

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What, did I log into by mistake?

It'll never woik. I'd rather have a Fiat 500 anyway when it comes to more than two wheels.

Make mine an Abarth.

squidwardo 08-15-2006 07:18 AM

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O.K., that thing is pretty darn cool. Best around town machine I ever had was a Honda 125 scooter. $3.00 in gas and I was good for about two weeks. Never got stuck in traffic, never paid for parking, and it was actually fun to ride. I would love to make a home for something like that in my garage.

dmoon64 08-15-2006 08:01 AM

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Whats a realistic cruising speed for a 250 Scooter like this.

That is a pretty cool machine.

longride 08-15-2006 08:02 AM

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"I predict that this will die a quick death...."

With that, you have nearly guaranteed it's complete success.

ddlewis 08-15-2006 08:04 AM

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They need to hurry up and capitalize on the idea before the japs come and do it better for less.

christian_gates 08-15-2006 08:10 AM

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This design is terrific - I've been playing around with something like this in my head for a long time (hey, I'm lazy, what can I say) - and my only thought is: make it 4 wheels, not 3. Put 2 out back.

I've often wondered why F1 cars don't have cars that effectively have round profile tires that can lean like this - combined with aerodynamics, including underbody ground effects, it seems that you could create something with dynamic tire camber that would have all the benefits of a massively canted wheel while turning, and all the stability of zero camber while in a straight line.

If I wasn't so lazy I'd come up with something myself. Seriously, though, 2 rear wheels and 2 fronts in this type of arrangement (a leaning one) would be amazing; in a car, with widely spaced wheels that could similarly lean while keeping the body level you'd have something similarly amazing. I love this idea.


The_AirHawk 08-15-2006 08:12 AM

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Nah, that takes more talent and less brains, something I just can't seem to muster-up (or down!).

schizuki 08-15-2006 08:30 AM

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Eh. I'll wait for the Gilera iPod.

Tigercub 08-15-2006 08:59 AM

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Buell? Dinette Set? Don't cave in. She won't stay mad for long.

Tigercub 08-15-2006 09:05 AM

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And it's only $48,000!?!?

I think it needs a little more development. Add a fourth, rear wheel and enclose the body work so you can use air conditioning. An automatic tranny would be useful and...uh...uh... uh...err... could buy a Honda Fit for one-fourth the cost...where was I?

Buzglyd 08-15-2006 09:24 AM

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Why would an American manufacturer invent something that would never sell here?

Buzglyd 08-15-2006 09:26 AM

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He has already caved in. The dinette set is already in the new home with KP's balls proudly displayed as the centerpiece.

electraglider_1997 08-15-2006 09:37 AM

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If Harley comes out with a 3-wheel softail then I'm sure they will sell chrome plated tablets of Viagra that you will drop in the tank to change it into a hard-tail.

Vlad 08-15-2006 09:38 AM

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Funny you should bring up Harley. If my memory serves me well, they purchased a corporation in California that made three wheelers called TriHawks in 1985. So they own the rights to a functioning three wheeler, two front, one back. From what I heard these things were way fun, though they were more similar to a very low CG three wheel car. They closed down the factory and never brought it out again. Don't know why.


snowcrash 08-15-2006 09:53 AM

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It's when you regain the grip on the road that the fun starts

obandoj 08-15-2006 10:13 AM

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Can you say tunnel vision? There, I knew you could.

Buzglyd 08-15-2006 10:16 AM

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Can you say shareholder?

I knew you couldn't.

mscuddy 08-15-2006 10:28 AM

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Can you imagine working on all that front suspention cr*p when it gets old?

Or something goes haywire up front and you end up riding around like a '55 Packard with a bad hydropneumatic bag.

Maybe they can sell them at Victory dealerships. Probably see just as many.

longride 08-15-2006 10:34 AM

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This bike is a terrific answer to a question that nobody asked. Piaggio is one step away from world domination with this baby.

longride 08-15-2006 10:36 AM

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Tell numb nuts that you will buy one right after he does. In fact, tell him that you will buy one the day after KPaul gets his Buell. You'll have a lifetime pass on either.

bigdx 08-15-2006 10:37 AM

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Two wheels up front may make for one cool looking custom bike ...

naco_traficante 08-15-2006 11:01 AM

Butch it up a little
What it really needs is an ultra-wide rear tire and a flame job. Then it will sell big in the US.

Looking_4_a_Bike 08-15-2006 11:13 AM

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I don't see a reason that this technology or design would be limited to scooters. Does anyone see an Aprilia version comming out? SVX V-twin maybe?

I wish this stuff was not so slow to develop and spread.


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