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Old 02-19-2001, 11:16 AM   #71
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Okay, the trip to Spain was a pain in the ass I am sure. But, a couple of questions -- how many gas stops can you have in 150 miles and what about the accessories that will be offered in the U.S., particularly heated grips and hard bags?
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:56 PM   #72
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How about some info about wind protection and other ergo considerations? That windscreen/fairing looks kinda small. I am thinking of trading in my 2000 VFR for one of these, (like the idea of 40 more hp that I got now) but I do a lot of long distance. Did you ride it for any lenght of time to comment on this?

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Old 02-19-2001, 07:37 PM   #73
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Whoops, I posted this in the wrong place. Let's review:

Brent, before you guys at MO get too thin-skinned about the feedback from your ride report, just remember that a lot of the upset people put down deposits at their Yamaha dealer many months ago and yet they still don't have an FZ1 to ride. So they are bound to be "on the rag" so to speak. Some understanding is in order, these guys want their FZ1s reaaallll bad, and are grasping at any info they can. FZ1 people: Hold on a little longer, your bike is almost here. Call Yamaha and tell them you are NOT happy about having to wait so long.

I am a big fan of bikes like the FZ1, Bandit 1200 and ZRX, these are the most practical motorcycles around. I'm especially a fan of the new 2001 Bandit 1200 because its prices undercuts both the FZ1 and ZRX, yet gives awesome low-RPM torque and likely the best wind protection in its class. I noticed that you noticed the Bandit should have comfier ergos too, thanks to the Suzook's lower footpegs.

I place emphasis on other aspects of a bike than simple quarter-mile times and peak horsepower figures. The fact that the FZ1 will be slightly faster than the Bandit is not an issue for me. The fact that the FZ1 costs substantially more than the Bandit IS an issue though, money doesn't grow on trees. I've seen 2001 Bandits going for $7500-$8000 out the door in some places, the FZ1 will probably be around $9000-$9500 out the door. Having rode both the Bandit and FZ, do you think the FZ is $1500-$2000 better than a Bandit? I think the answer to that question is an easy "no way, man."

Also, regarding the "141 hp and 78 ft-lbs of torque" the FZ1 is supposed to have. Let's not forget that these are CLAIMED figures (crankshaft horsepower, not rear-wheel horsepower) and have yet to be proved by any dyno run. I'm thinking about 118-120 at the wheel with about 72-75 ft-lbs of torque will be the FZ1's end result. Gawrsh I hate when manufacturers quote crankshaft power just to inflate the numbers.

And another thing....please oh please, if you do a shootout between the ZRX/B12/FZ1, make sure you pop a slipon on all three bikes and do a quick dyno run. Even without touching the jetting, I think you'll find the B12 jumped 10-15 hp over the stock B12, while the FZ1/ZRX jump only 5-6 hp. This is a huge "low buck power" advantage the Bandit has that I've never seen mentioned in any hop-up articles. The Bandit is truly the king of bang-for-buck performance.

In the end, I think your ride report is pretty accurate. There's simply no way the FZ1 could've lived up the incredible hype generated by Yamaha's PR people, who were crowing the FZ is a "naked R1." Obviously, the FZ pales in comparison to the R1, so Yamaha should be chided for barking up that wrong tree. I'm glad you guys pointed that out!

It wasn't YOU who claimed the bike was a naked R1, it was Yamaha, and you are correct in shooting holes in that theory. Just adding some cat-eye headlights can't hide the fact there is a flexi steel frame wrapped around a detuned engine...just like the Bandit and ZRX. Hey, I thought the FZ1 was supposed to be revolutionary? Sounds like a very familiar recipe to me...

At the end of the day, I think the FZ1 will be faster and more nimble than the Bandit/ZRX. After all, it makes more peak power and weighs less. But for my hard-earned money, the '01 Bandit is the bike for me, and I feel it's the better sport tourer.....you know, what these bikes will be used for. And the Bandit has been available since last September, while the FZ1 is still in "don't call us, we'll call you" status.
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Old 02-20-2001, 06:05 AM   #74
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If someone feels my comments are a total pile of sh*te, which they could well be, then please reply and show me the error of my ways. Its very easy to say 'you are an idiot' and leave it at that - but Mr H1Rabbit you aren't saying why I am 'an idiot' and why you feel my views are incorrect. Is that because you are an idiot and have nothing of any sense or relevance to say? You obviously have no constructive criticisms to make and were just rattled by my comment. I posted this comment and worded it in such a way to get some productive feedback but all I got from the rabbit but a totally useless subjective non-comment. Grow up....you idiot...boo-hoo.......

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Old 02-20-2001, 07:07 AM   #75
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If you want an R1 without plastic, take the plastic off your R1.

If you strip $2000 out of the purchase price of a bike, while using the same engine and designing it to fit twice as many people's bodies, it will be heavier. Take it or leave it; if you think you could make a better, faster, lighter bike for the same price or less, do it. I'll buy one.

In travelling around, I have noticed that 89 octane sometimes qualifies as "premium." That alone makes me think that a couple points lower compression could be a good thing, if one's bike is fit to travel significant distances.
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Old 02-20-2001, 07:24 AM   #76
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You've been stealing hits off that english guy's mama's crack pipe, haven't you?

Try rec.motorcycles.off-topic.schmucks

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Old 02-20-2001, 08:42 AM   #77
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It might do just fine for me; what it lacks in tire-smoking it might make up for in reliability and refinement. As long as a bike cruises comfortably at 80, that's fast enough for this old dude. I'm looking forward to seeing this Hornet, and the R1150R, in the comparo's of the current and upcoming sporty-standards this summer and fall.
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Old 02-20-2001, 11:52 AM   #78
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Take a good look at the FZ-1. The wind protection is going to suck big time compared to your VFR. If you live in SoCal or some other hot climate, or just ride around town with a fair-weather weekend ride tossed in every now and then, no problem. Otherwise, put an Erion full system exhaust and a K&N filter on your VFR and you'll get about 110 at the rear wheel. That'll bring you within 10 hp or so of the Yamaha's true power figure. You won't get battered by wind and cold and you'll save about $3,000 in the process.
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Old 02-20-2001, 12:36 PM   #79
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This sounds suspicously like the drivel that a SooZook pimp (oops sorry, make that SooZook advocate) posts daily (ad nauseum) on the FZ1 Owners Assoc. BBS.
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Old 02-20-2001, 01:02 PM   #80
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I'll admit that this FZ-1 review left something to be desired, particularly when compared to MO's typical offerings and complete bike evaluations. Unlike the robust portion of whine-ology professors amongst the readership, however, I'm willing to cut MO some slack.

Frankly, I'm not sure how "Minime" could develop much in the way of a solid opinion about the bike after twenty hours of fatiguing travel to Europe, evaluating in a strange country, on unfamiliar roads, surrouded by international riders speaking in tongues, wondering if the next herd of sheep had his name on it. Professional motorcycle journalist or not, that's just a good deal to stack up against feeling comfortable putting a bike through its paces.

You've got to figure that MO was under pressure to attend this world press introduction and get something published about this much-anticipated bike; rather than favor a conspiracy theory I figure they did the best they could. I eagerly anticipate a real review including a comparo with the Bandit 1200s among others, performed by the home-town gang, on familiar ground. You know it's coming- quit 'yer whinin' and give 'em a chance!
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