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Z1chopper 12-20-2005 08:54 PM

Re: Rant: Put a Cork In It!
Watch the the little animation it is really interesting.

sportbikebandit 12-20-2005 09:19 PM

Re: Americans should visit Canada to get a lesson in manners

gloverll 12-20-2005 11:18 PM

Re: Rant: Put a Cork In It!
People that just love to say "Loud pipes save lives" are the ones least likely to have a headlight modulator, wear protective gear, or show courtesy to others on the road.

I hate noise... and I've hated motorcycles (particularly Harleys) most of my life because the riders seem to enjoy thrusting their noise into my personal space. I'm hook on bikes now but I think the stock pipes are just fine.

If loud pipes really do save lives, let those riders show their concern for safety in other, more tangible ways.


roadpilot 12-21-2005 02:06 AM

Re: Rant: Put a Cork In It!
Speed is the killer. Loud pipes don't stop a motocycle.

pplassm 12-21-2005 07:31 AM

Re: Rant: Put a Cork In It!
I noticed they didn't put a number for the US on that. Probably because we don't know, and few care.

staff 12-21-2005 08:32 AM

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Z1chopper, of course you can disagree. Gabezilla and JohnnyB tend to disagree for no other reason that be be contrary. And for the record, there's a huge difference between loud aftermarket and tached-out-to-the-max straight pipes rolling through residential areas.

Here's why I think you're wrong. It's a bit winded, so please stick with me for a coupla minutes: I can choose to jump really high and if I get hurt, I'm hurting only myself and no one else. I'm heavily insured and have the means to pay for rehabilitation. Woohoo! Go big or go home! ;-)

I can choose to go to said dirttrack, or a concert, where I'd wear earplugs, maybe two pairs -- inner core and outer gel. Being a happy kinda person, I'd have a good time.

Above, I'd be exerting my own free will to put myself in danger's path, but using said will to harm no one else. The legalizing away of my right to potentiall hurt myself however I see fit is why I leave this country often for far-off places. It's the little things -- Sean recently got an expensive ticket for picking his wife up the door of their condo complex because he was parked at the curb facing the wrong way. Only in America.

What I can't choose is to be an unwilling recepient of someone's own lifestyle choice that can cause serious harm to me. In this instance, to blast painfully loud noise. I certainly wouldn't ever choose, want or wish on anyone else the kind of pain that's so continuously bad it makes you vomit, have drugs injected in that they don't know how they work other than that they make your brain misfire. It's scary stuff. Three days, they can last. Could you imagine how mad you'd be if someone took three days of your life, willingly? For no reason other than "because I like it".

Ask yourself, if it was your friend, daughter, wife or mother, would you willingly allow this to be done to me by a neighbor with the collector hacked off his ratty GS550?

Let's get midevil, throwing politics away: Eye for an eye, if you do this to me, I can then crack you in the head with a bat. But this is America and you can't do that. Why? Beacuse America has a bazillion laws. Do this this way, don't do that, definitely you can't do that -- almost all set up to protect a person from oppression from the few, the many, even the individual. (That individual can be yourself, and I think that's what chafes many Americans like me-- I don't want to be saved from myself!) It's what makes us great -- you can't legally impose your will on me in physically harmfull ways. If you do, I have the right to bear arms in defense of my liberty.

And that's the difference between between the examples listed: I can choose to put myself at serious risk of bodily harm, but you don't have the right to force serious bodily harm on me.

On a different note, I think it's funny how chivalrous the loud-pipe set can be in interpersonal, one-on-one situations. They'll roar into a rest stop and then be the most polite of gentlemen. Alpha male manly men types tend to be that way in general -- help you off the bike, open doors for their women, and dare you not hurt their own, their kin or their woman! Them's fighting words! But screw the stranger! Once you're not a stranger, though, the tune changes -- the Harley guy across the street from my Redondo Beach home had straight pipes, and he'd shake the very ground every day. He was a big, scary-looking guy so nobody else said antying to him. When I explained my situation, he pushed it bike up out his sloping-down driveway every morning and coast to the end of the block (which was empty office space) before starting his bike. Coming home, he'd enter the block from the upward side and coast home into his parking spot. For years, he did this, push out, coast home.

I don't fear the burly, long-bearded Harley types -- I know they're almost all the nicest interpersonal people. But this example -- my neighbor wouldn't irritate the people he thought were cool, but screw everyone else! This makes me think: How many people do the burly loud-pipe set irritate, people that are afraid to broach the topic? In my case, it was a lot of people through the apartment complexes in the middle of my block (California beach towns have no zoning sense, business, house, apartment, condo, house, house, business), and they were going to start calling the police if I hadn't cordially enjoined the subject... ...which is a whole 'nother mindset problem!

sportbikebandit 12-21-2005 08:50 AM

Re: Put a sock in it
LOL I think you got the last word.

roadpilot 12-21-2005 10:34 AM

Re: Put a sock in it

Z1chopper 12-22-2005 11:05 AM

Re: Rant: Put a Cork In It!
Ok you win. But I think your migrains shouldn't be the reason the law should change. Bright sunlight can hurt you too and load music is another cause of pain. Get to a doctor who can help you. I had migrains as a kid and I know how sick you can get. There are medications that can help you. Sometimes doctors don't know what they are talking about. You need to find a specialist who can relieve your pain. There is no honor in suffering. Get help. You are young and it is a scarry thing to take medications. I am a lot older and have had throat cancer and neck cancer so I do know about pain. There is help for you. Please go and have someone help you. The bike thing is an non issue. Your health is not. The pain will be there even without the loud bikes.

I am feeling fatherly towards you. I have three daughters and I don't like to see them suffer either.


ebass 12-22-2005 07:12 PM

Post #100
Hey, cause I had to. But yeah, I'll throw this out there as a bonus. If you wanna talk about negative sereotypes, I can't think of a worse one than the 60-something, worn-out, *****tified banana yellow aerostich wearing, cranky, pissing and moaning old curmudgeon. You can still ride so far as I'm concerned but damn dude, motorcycle riders are supposed to be rebels. That's half the deal man! Remember who you were when you got started in this whole deal? Chicks, wheelies, rebellion, DAMN IT!

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