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Old 11-30-2005, 07:26 AM   #31
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Default Re: Best of the Best: 2005 R6 v. 2005 GSX-R1000

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Old 11-30-2005, 08:33 AM   #32
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Default Re: Steve, I love your website!

Glad you like it. It needs a little updating, I have some new pictures.



I think your issue is that you're coming from small displacement bikes to large displacement bikes rather than the other way. If you're not used to the thrust of the bigger bikes, you can't trust them as well, whereas I often find myself wishing for more power (this is purely subjective). It's all in what you get comfortable with.



Having rented all the 600cc bikes except for the ZX-6R (for what may be obvious reasons to anyone in racing), I rate them like this:



04 CBR 600RR... best front end, very communicative and precise, too soft for the track as stock, motor gets a bad rap for being too peaky when it works quite well for me on track. Cramped ergos. Brakes fade quickly.



04 R6... very communicative front end, maybe a bit too quick to turn in on sweepers, strong upper end power and decent midrange. Nicely planted rear end and seating ergos. Brakes fade slowly (7th session of the day). Didn't notice suspension, which is high praise.



04 GSX-R 600... feels a little blunt compared to the others, but translates in the end to faster lap times for me because there is so little drama. Best midrange of the 600s, gives up a little on the top. Sometimes feels like a bit extra is required to turn it in but is most stable once set. Slow brake fade (9th session of the day).



Probably off-topic in this context but hey, I'm in slacker mode at the moment.
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Old 11-30-2005, 08:40 AM   #33
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Default A different perspective

It seems like the whole test came down to going faster on the R6 than the GSXR. But of course that wasn't the bikes fault it was the riders, why? I'm not sure, but I feel like it was a feeling thing.



Personaly I don't care which one I will go faster on or which one is technicly faster, I don't even care too much about comfort, I'm sure all the production bikes would be plenty comfortable or could be made so enough for me.



I can about how fun they are to ride, and for me it comes down to riding a bike hard, as hard as I can. It needs to still be a good bike though. Something with great brakes, great handling, decent gear box, and something with a fun powerband. In a way I want a bike that begs, or needs to be REALLY ridden, something you have to be involved with something that makes you change gears if you really want to keep a fast pace. For me it's more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a real fast bike only a little faster.



I ride an ol' 1991 EX500 it's fun. I took it to the track and was constantly held up in corners by supersports and openclass bikes with race tires. I had a ton of fun trying to plan my corners so I could pass them just as we came onto the straight (passing on the straights only, ugh) I passed 4 or 5 bikes a session. I took one supersport out of the last corner then drag raced him down the main straight trying to keep him from catching me back before the end, and just barrely did it. I'm almost positive I had the slowest bike at streets of willow that day, but I felt fast really fast, I did wish for track rubber though.



When I go on canyon rides in malibu it's a similar story, I always have the slowest bike, but am hardly the slowest. I have to really push it to try and keep up with some of the supersport guys, I franticly switch gears trying to eek a little more out.



It's a blast. The EX500 is great for everything else too and I think it only makes 45 or 50hpr, a little more would be nice, but mainly it's a supersport frame brakes and suspention I wish for. Personaly I think I'd rather have a 400cc supersport than even a R6, just so I could use all my gears with out getting a helicoper escort.



I also find smaller engines have more... character often times, a more interesting powerband. Anyway, I'd like to see a tester that liked working hard to go fast, that wasn't lazy, heh. Or something like that.



Oh yea....... couple of wishes... why don't you weigh the bikes?? you put them on your own MO dyno but you don't weigh them? I'd like to see them weighed do it with or without gas, either way is fine, would be nice to have the weight dry and wet calculated tho based on weight of gas and tank size etc.



I also wish you guys would do stoping tests, 60-0, and really push the braking to the limit.



Anyway thx for the good read!
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Old 11-30-2005, 09:01 AM   #34
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Default Re: Best of the Best: 2005 R6 v. 2005 GSX-R1000

Nice writeup!



One thing you might also want to include in the street portion of the review: how much it costs to insure the damn thing. I was thinking of trading up to a literbike last year until I took a look at insurance rates. Scared me enough to stick with my SV...



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Old 11-30-2005, 09:07 AM   #35
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Default For the street you want Torque, Torque, Torque....

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Old 11-30-2005, 09:18 AM   #36
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Default Re: For the street you want Torque, Torque, Torque....

Exactly. And you want to maximize torque over a distance in a given amount of time.



Therefore, you want horsepower.



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Old 11-30-2005, 09:38 AM   #37
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Default Re: A different perspective

The reason they don't weigh the bikes is because Sean doesn't allow scales anywhere in the area of MO. He's kind of like a vampire with mirrors. it just ain't happenin'.
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Old 11-30-2005, 09:55 AM   #38
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Default Re: For the street you want Torque, Torque, Torque....

"For the street you want Torque, Torque, Torque...."



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Old 11-30-2005, 10:03 AM   #39
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Default Re: A different perspective

That's a pitty because of the few bikes I've weighed they turned out quite a bit more weighty than the specs claimed.



Maybe sneek one home to weight it? heh
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:04 AM   #40
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Default Re: Ay, yi-yi! What is it with you SV650 people!

Well said...Of course I am the same way about 600SS as these guys are bout their SVs. i.e. I think 600SS are the ultimate price/performance machines i.e the pinnacle of motorcycle engineering...
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