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gear_head 11-23-2005 12:14 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
So do I get this correctly, admission price still includes a bolt to the swingarm shock?

SV650GLEN 11-23-2005 12:16 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
First to Post!? I think I'll keep my SV650.

mscuddy 11-23-2005 12:26 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
Great test. Wonder why they can't get the non-linked rear end to work? Cheap shock?

83 RWHP for a mild 600. Not too shabby. Oh Popeye!

Chango 11-23-2005 01:34 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
Neato. HEY SUZUKI! If you bring the GSR-600 here, you'll sell at least one! Now I seriously want to know how the GSR compares to the 599. Daggum Euro-peons...


earthspirit60 11-23-2005 02:02 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
The price is way too high. I bought a new current year ZRX1200R for less! The bike uses old tech and has no real "features", per say.

I am a "Honda guy" and have owned no less than 18 Honda bikes, 7 cars, 2 lawn mowers and a generator. Their entire 2006 street line is overpriced, ugly, has medeocre performance and is leaving the door wide open for the Chinese to kick their ass. They need the thrilling products like the old CBX (how bout an update?) the original Interceptor and CBR900. Where is the excitement...not in the 599 or even their "also-ran" CBR1000RR (should be called the CBR1000ZZZZZzzzz)

I have to vent because they can do better. The damn 919 should cost $6995 and the 599...$6195...Honda, GET REAL!!!

eojmo 11-23-2005 02:03 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
Its reliable, functional, well priced and performs satisfactory in its utilitarian role as a courier ridersÂ’ favourite mount. ItÂ’s the perfect appliance. Apart from that, itÂ’s drab, boring and lacks any kind of style or personality.

seruzawa 11-23-2005 04:44 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
Overpriced? Honda? Shutyermouth. Everyone knows that Honda's oh so vastly superior quality justifies them selling 800s for more than an 1150 and 250cc scooters sans bodywork for $5 freaking thousand dollars. Why, I have a vastly superior Honda's in my garage right now, with a leaky radiator.

Honda lost it years ago. Soichiro is spinning at 14,000 rpm.

seruzawa 11-23-2005 04:48 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
I hate to defend the increasingly corporate Honda, but why on earth should Honda upgrade the naked 599? No one is going to buy one any way. Even the Bandit1200, arguably the best deal in motorcycles, has been dropped. It doesn't meet Americans' demand for porkladencruisers or senselesslyuncomfortablesportbikes.

ofreen 11-23-2005 05:13 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
If anybody really wants one but doesn't like the price, all they have to do is wait awhile and they'll be able to buy one at the price it should have been in the first place.

conchscooter 11-23-2005 06:08 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
I like the Honda 599. So there. I'm not buying one, because I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd look at it if I were shopping.

The rejectionist front is disappointing to me because the catcalls are aimed not only at the price ( which can reasonably be labelled as too high) but because the technology is old fashioned. How many of us really can outride motorcycles powered into infinity and framed with unobtanium and sprung on 25th century suspension?

I can't.

Gabe 11-23-2005 06:52 PM

Have You Ridden One?
I haven't met anyone who's ridden one who didn't fall in love. Like me, it's expensive but worth it and they'll sell every one they have.

Gabe 11-23-2005 06:55 PM

I Agree with You...
My Triumph is heavier and no more powerful than the 599 but it has plenty of performance for me, except at track days.

Old-fashioned technology. Overpriced. Huh. That sounds a lot like how people characterize Harley Davidson, yet they sell most of the street motorcycles sold every year in the US! And they are a LOT more expensive than a lowly 599! But that's OK?

I don't get it.

hharvey 11-23-2005 07:39 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
I'm with you on that one! In Canada we

have a 7 or 8 month riding season, which does

make for some screamin' deals come January

on "lightly used" sport bikes with about 3K kms

on the clock. And I've lost count of the number

of 2+ year old cruisers I've seen with less than

2,0000 kms on 'em for sale at close to list

because "Hey - I hardly even rode the thing!".

Fenton 11-23-2005 08:56 PM

Re: Limited production
They are only making 3?

Fenton 11-23-2005 09:03 PM

Re: I Agree with You...
"That sounds a lot like how people characterize Harley Davidson, yet they sell most of the street motorcycles sold every year in the US!"

More than any other single brand I'd agree with.

Fenton 11-23-2005 09:19 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
I do have to agree with an earlier post about the boring factor honda has with many models. The 599 much like the 919 is just missing something......or too much appliance added. The problem lies with the fact it does exactly what a "standard" should do, therefore, people price shop and the most expensive boring bike comes out last.

Civics don't make car nuts sweaty, but they have their place.

dmorga1 11-23-2005 09:52 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
Agreed! Honda has been putting out hideously ugly standards. I own a CB1000, and you can pry it from my cold, dead hands. Honda is not building real standards, but I can't exactly blame them. No one seems to buy them. The CB1000, such a hot seller in Europe, made it two years here before they pulled the plug. People over here in the US are stupid, and they continue to buy the useless crotch rockets that they can't ride for the street. But I am simply saying what Gabe's manifesto from a while back said perfectly. But I do weep for the lack of a real standard from Honda.

earthspirit60 11-24-2005 03:15 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
I believe the reason no-one buys standards is simple: EGO. My ZRX1200R gets yawns from my sportbike buddies for being old school (until my slightly modified ZRX easily keeps with their R-1 in the street drags...). I get chuckles from my Harley buddies for driving a "retro rice burner". (Retro?!?they should talk...)

I loved the CB1000 and with small mods, it rips.

I would like to see a new Honda standard in the spirit of the original naked CBX. Give it a nice 1400cc DOHC W/C 6, Fuel injection, and don't nueter it for torque. Keep it naked with a real seat. Make it high quality and price it accordingly...say $13000 with radial/wave brakes and OHLINS/or similar grade suspension. Offer a complete line of accesories (somthing the Japanese with the exception of Yamaha fail to do) including small bikini fairing, sporty hard luggage that works and fits well, options of mid or euro controls (like the old CB900F). Honda, can you hear us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

teknoman 11-24-2005 05:05 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
That,s why I bought an old school v65 sabre.I guess if they made one today ,it would a bundle with all the features it has.Ohh wait a minute they made something called a Bol'Dor,which looks a lot like the sabre,just priced a whole lot more.Boring names,boring bikes!

longride 11-24-2005 05:45 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
I'd buy an updated CBX any day, even if Suzuki, Yamaha, or Kawasaki made it.

pplassm 11-24-2005 06:12 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
Have you seen the Suzuki Stratosphere?

pplassm 11-24-2005 06:17 AM

The real problem
What's the real question here? Isn't it the differring standards for motorcycles around the world? I mean, if there were no government regulation, we could buy anything available in the rest of the world right here in the good ole USA, right?

Are we ready for global standards for street bikes?

nweaver 11-24-2005 08:09 AM

Harsh rear suspension, check.

$500-1000 more than the competition, check.

Old carbs rather than "Push and go" EFI, check.

An unadjustable front fork designed for looks (USD), check.

No ABS option (unlike Europe)

Tell me again WHY I should buy this bike over the far cheaper but just as capable SV, Fazer, etc?

WHY should I not get a ZZR-600 for the same price?

Gabe 11-24-2005 08:14 AM

Wel, I used to have a Civic...
And it had vinyl seats and no a/c, so in the summer, I actualy would get pretty sweaty, um, you now...

sarnali 11-24-2005 08:55 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
The new for Europe Bandit looks like a screamer, I'd love to see a better range here but I guess we can forget it. I'll see if I can pick up a used Bandit for a second bike I guess.

neu 11-24-2005 08:59 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
Yes, I apparently was one of the few that bought the '04 599 and I have no regrets. It's my first bike, I have 7,000 miles on the odometer, and whenever I'm on it I don't want the ride to end. I paid a discounted-$6,350 new, and it continues to be worth every penny. (I wouldn't be down about it now had I paid the full $7,099 list price then!)

tomk2 11-24-2005 09:26 AM

I think Honda isn't charging enough for the bike...
They could really make this a premium bike, up the price $500 and added EFI and higher grade suspension components.

I bet there is a huge aftermarket for these in Europe, I look at this bike and imagine it with a lightweight can, monoposto seat, adjustable rear sets and pro-taper bars.

After having a Buell and now with my Multistrada when I swap bikes on group rides and get on something like a Vstrom or Yamaha FZ I can sure feel the difference a parts-bin low cost suspension makes.

SeanAlexander 11-24-2005 09:37 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
I get your point, but I do believe the Civic is the modern equivelent of the 60's muscle car, in so much as it is the one teenage boys want to buy so they can mod and beat their friends. (I know, FWD, 4cylinder doesn't equal ultimate driving machine, but neither did ladder frames, live axles and tall profile bias ply tires)


SeanAlexander 11-24-2005 09:41 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
You got a great deal and now own one of the coolest bikes on the planet. The 599's charm isn't oin its spec sheet or it's overall curb appeal. Its charm is in the little details like the charecter lines in the rear fender, the view from the saddle, and the way it actually works in the real world. Now that you're more experienced as a rider, I can only recomend that you keep that 599 and love it for many years. -Sean

ValkBandit 11-24-2005 11:07 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
i keep waiting for moto mags to "get it," and realize the things that are important to mainstream motorcyclists.

you guys do a great job with sportbikes and a reasonable job with tourers, but when it comes to general purpose standards like the 599, you don't seem to understand the demographics. so, as a potential buy of this kind of bike, i'll help you out be spelling out what's important to me and a lot of others. as a note: all the important stuff revolves around utility and general usefulness.

1) does it have a centerstand? that makes maintenance and general repair much easier.

2) passenger comfort?

3) how are the valves adjusted? shims over buckets put it out of the league of most shade-tree mechanics.

4) bungee hooks for tail bags?

5) will the pipes melt throw-over saddlebags?

6) how easy is it to swap the oil filter?

these are not typical concerns for sport-bike weanies, because they are too busy living fantasy lives to worry about practical matters. but guys who buy bikes like the 599 think about stuff like that.

we already know that standard ergonomics allow you to ride faster and more safely than the racer crouch, which is as about as useful in the real world screen doors on a submarine.

just so's ya know ... and maybe consider including those details in your tests.

Gabe 11-24-2005 12:05 PM

Very good points.
thanks. However, this was a new model intro, not a full test. I only had a few hours to ride it. We're expecting a test unit within a month, and we can spend more time with these practical details.

The F3 motor does use DOHCs and shims (under buckets, though) , so a valve adjustment is an all-day job, although it rarely needs adjustments. A competent shade-tree mechanic can certainly check clearances. The oil filter is right underneath the engine and is easy to get off. You don't have to remove the headers.

I think there's fold-out bungee hooks (actually a pair of cloth loops) but I'm not sure. And the muffler has a heat shield that should keep bungees from burning.

I'll try to pay more attention to practical details in the future!

gforces 11-24-2005 09:38 PM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
My best friend got a 599 last year and has been riding it everyday since, rain or shine. He loves it, and believes the quality of the bike far exceeds other manufacturers, justifying the high price--but I believe he got a real good deal on it (something in the 6's after tax, setup, freight, and license).

I haven't ridden it yet, but I know I like it because the seating position feels so perfect.

gforces 11-24-2005 09:43 PM

Re: Very good points.
My buddy with a 599 showed me the fold-out bungee hooks, and they are slick. My hawk has these ugly bars with hooks sticking out of them. They're such an eyesore, I want to grind them off!

ValkBandit 11-25-2005 12:22 AM

Re: Very good points.
cool. thx for listening.

happy holidays, MO .... from a loyal reader.

KLRer 11-25-2005 02:25 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
I like the Candy Apple Red option of the 919 better,although its got about 519 more ccs than I need. Candy Apple reds a color from the late sixties Japanese bikes, e.g., the Bridgestone 180. Those are the bikes i miss, from the days when a 450 was a monster.

I think theres a market for "standards" in the 200 to 450 cc range, plenty fast for most aging baby boomers. Its hell trying to hang on without a windshield above 80 anyway.

Just make them light, reliable, and and zippy up to 60 mph.

maxriderdon 11-25-2005 03:29 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
<blockquote>It doesn't meet Americans' demand for porkladencruisers or senselesslyuncomfortablesportbikes.</blockquote>

Sad but true. Bandit12 and Zrex are too of the biggest bang o bucks bikes ever made but due to the above they are gone. What ever happende to just buying something good for the fun of riding it instead of see my bikes shinier than yours or heah mine is .01 second quicker than yours? I say who cares!

lwatcdr 11-25-2005 06:00 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
"My ZRX1200R gets yawns from my sportbike buddies"

I love the looks of the ZRX. To me it seems like the perfect bike. Fast enough. Big enough, comfortable enough and cheap enough. I am sorry that they didn't bring it back. Now I will have to look for a good used one.

teknoman 11-25-2005 07:01 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599...Honda has lost it's way.
Yes I saw the zook.Betcha we won,t get it though.Interesting side thought ,though.When the big four show commercials here in the states ,all they really show are their cruisers,no mention of any of there other bikes,just briefly,if at all.

BBD_Racing 11-25-2005 10:26 AM

Re: 2006 Honda 599
The 599 is a great $6200 bike. It is an OK $6800 bike and a ridiculous $7400 bike. I paid $7200 out the door for my Z1000. I'd love to recommend it to a first time buyer, but unless the dealer will chop a G note off the price, I can't.

The 599 and Z suffer similar showroom problems. I would never have paid $8500 for my Z, and few people do. If K had priced it at $7500, they'd sell quite a few more. They sell ZZR600's for that and until recently, they sold ZX6Rs for that. So, the argument that these standards cost a lot is BS.

I keep wondering if anyone will ever put up a competitor for the SV650. As a longtime NT650 Hawk owner, I keep hoping the Red guys will do it.

nweaver 11-25-2005 02:34 PM

SV Competitor...
Kawasaki has one coming out:

The ER-6n (Naked, euope only)

The Ninja 650/ER-6s (US and europe: Same seat and frame, but with a sportbikeish fairing).

650cc parallel twin, effectively identical spec sheet to the SV.

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