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Old 10-05-2005, 03:57 PM   #51
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You told me the I4 was the ultimate design so I went out and bought an MV Agusta.



If I park my Duc and Harley side by side it makes a V4.
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Old 10-06-2005, 01:48 AM   #52
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"You are right though lots of folks would probably buy the Vibe but not the Matrix due to perception not reality."



I would think this would be the other way around.

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Old 10-06-2005, 04:26 AM   #53
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It cuts both ways, I'm sure, which is no doubt why both brands exist.
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:16 AM   #54
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Niether. Japanese have resonably good QA, can't fault them any more than American brands there. As far as image, not so much as 'I wouldn't be caught dead' as it's not an American owned company. After all I drive a Mazda truck, and 99% of people I met think that it's a Japanese company (hence my example).



I do realize in todays market nothing is pure anything. So I tend to go with HQ ownership, and give heavy preference to American based co. A product has to be significantly better and/or with a really good price break to beat them.



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Old 10-06-2005, 06:22 AM   #55
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Personnally, pass on both.



But, to answer the point you were making, I believe GM owns the Pontiac name (would need to look it up, I tent to pay more attention to lines that have trucks), so Pontiac it would be.



Yes, I do realize they're the same car, BTW. Though I bet more people would go the other way and get the Toy.
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:44 AM   #56
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Different looking? Really? Except for the weird chrome fins on the tank and the front fender, it looks like every other cookie-cutter V-twin cruiser out there. It's not an innovative design by any stretch of the imagination.



You can tell that Yamaha wanted to do something slightly different, but the design committee was afraid to make it too different from the rest of the pack. The whole thing looks like a crappy compromise.



That's in general a big problem with Japanese bike designers (for all types of bikes and cars): they seem not to have any confidence in their vision, and end up with a compromised, half-assed design.
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:07 PM   #57
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Triumph's new scrambler is retro done right in my book.
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:36 PM   #58
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These 'retro' styled bikes all lack something that causes them to come up way short of the bikes and times they are trying to invoke. That 'something' is any kind of mechanical personality. They are too sanitary. Compare these modern 'retro' bikes to classics like the Harley knucks and pans, Vincents, Brough Superiors, and the British singles and they look bland. It is because the new 'retros' have engines are sanitary self contained lumps without anything to catch the eye. The engines are not interesting to look at.
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Old 10-07-2005, 04:22 AM   #59
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Yawn.



Another bike that harkens back to a design idea that was over and done before most folks riding today were even alive.



Is the world out of new ideas or something?
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Old 11-03-2005, 12:04 PM   #60
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just took a roadliner for a spin and was very impressed with low centre of gravity, no vibration and big, big power. i'm ordering one tomorrow
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