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12er 04-08-2005 02:26 PM

Re: 2005 Honda VTX 1800 F
Don't all Viper owners just switch to drag pipes anyway? ;)

mile_eater 04-09-2005 01:45 AM

Re: 2005 Honda VTX 1800 F
AMEN BROTHER! The 8-Ball is a fine demonstration of all that is right with the cruiser world.

But umm.. Aren't we forgetting Confederate?

mile_eater 04-09-2005 01:52 AM

Re: OK, I'll go over this ONE MORE TIME
You call it a waste. I call it safe.

Force = Mass X Acceleration squared. In other words, in colisions, the bigger vehicle wins. You're civic may do better agaisnt a concrete wall than my Titan does, but we ain't gonna hit a wall.

We hit other vehicles. When Suburbans, Excursions, H2s, and Armadas hit civics, escorts, or corollas... there is a distinct squishing sound. Someone probably dies, and someone probably doesn't.

I ain't tradin' my kid's saftey for a few bucks on gas... and I'll take my visibility, with my monster towing mirrors, over your little squishy cars anyday.

mile_eater 04-09-2005 01:56 AM

Re: VTX Dragracers
MO said nothing of the sort. The claim was made by someone posting on the board. That's why I did the test in the first place. It may have even been Longride himself!

mile_eater 04-09-2005 01:58 AM

Re: Aw, mile_eater, be fair...
Any of the 2005 600s will eat it for lunch. I shudder to think how badly a 636 would stomp my bike... much less this monstrosity.

pdad13 04-09-2005 01:59 PM

Re: OK, I'll go over this ONE MORE TIME
I'm pretty sure the data shows that SUVs actually fair worse when in a collision with another SUV or similar truck than car-to-car accidents. Might have something to do with the higher center of gravity, but I read about the this a while ago and I'm not sure it specified why they fair poorly. And with upwards of 70% of new car sales being SUVs, pretty soon were just going to have a lot of really big vehicles crashing into each other.

The other problem--and possibly the more serious problem-- is the complacency factor. This is something that the auto and insurance industries (figures, right?) are getting very concerned about. Turns out that because people think they are nearly bulletproof in an SUV, they seem to drive a more carelessly and, sometimes more aggressively. Seen the "ESUVEE" ad campaign? I have personally witnessed this phenomenon many times:

1. A guy threatend to run me over when I was on my bike last year because I didn't move fast enough for him at a stop sign--in nearly gridlocked traffic, no less. And this dude was about 5'7" 150 lbs. Of course, driving an Escalade.

2. I have a friend whose wife is admittedly a bad driver. He bought her a Range Rover because he wanted to make sure she would be "safe." I feel sorry for the next poor bastard she runs into. He should have spent the money on driving school.

3. I have another friend who admits he takes more chances when he drives his SUV because he feels safer in it. He's a good friend and a really good person, but he can't even drive a manual transmission and knows next to nothing about driving, much less performance driving.

4. Just today I'm riding down my street and a woman in a Hummer coming directly head-on forces me to the side of the road because she's having trouble fitting the truck between two parked cars.

5. I could go on and on...

Another thing: Women love SUVs. But it is a scientific fact that, in general, women do not manupulate objects within a three-dimensional plane as well as men, in general, do. Before anyone notifies NOW and reports me for being a sexist, look at the facts. This has to do with hormones, not sexism. This is a main reason why most women cannot compete at the same level as men in athletics. Know why most women "throw like girls?" It has much to do with the lack of testosterone. It's the same reason why more women have trouble backing up cars than men. So, of course, lets encourage women, and overly aggressive men, to drive 4500 lb., unweildy vehicles around. I feel much safer.

Now, being that you're a rider, I think I can assume that you're probably more aware and in control of your vehicle than the average guy. But the soccer Mom or Dad in the Range Rover, who bought it because he/she's scared to be driving in the first place, could very well be a danger to him/herself and certainly to others. All in the name of safety. Unintended consequences suck.

I say buy and drive whatever you want, but be aware of this behavior. Almost anyone can fall victim to it. Eventually, gas prices will force a lot of people to examine the wisdom of owning an SUV, anyway, especially when they're using it to tote one or two kids around.

Outlander 04-10-2005 02:11 PM

Re: 2005 Honda VTX 1800 F
That's a lot of hooey.

Airfiddler 04-10-2005 05:09 PM

Re: 2005 Honda VTX 1800 F
Nah... He needs a Boss Hog, the souped up one.. I think it puts out around 400 Horepower. Large grin factor.......

Airfiddler 04-10-2005 05:18 PM

Re: 2005 Honda VTX 1800 F
Check out the two up photo. I think the tester

got his boot heel marks confused with tire burnout marks. Burning heels and tires smell the same.

Ask any cruiser rider.

whizbop 04-11-2005 02:08 PM

Re: 2005 Honda VTX 1800 F
Was it just me or did the dyno run look like one of those mechanical bulls I ride at the tijuana bars? Sean looked ready to have his first dyno-get off.

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