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Old 10-27-2004, 06:28 AM   #21
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Default Re: 2005 Victory Hammer & 8-Ball

Victory teaming with S&S to build motors and parts will probably be the smartest thing they did to secure a place in the cruiser world. Without the option to build the motor, most buyers would look elseware for their cruiser fix. Victory has come a long way in a few years, and they had to. Another mfg. of nice motorcycles is always welcome.
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Old 10-27-2004, 06:59 AM   #22
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Default Re: 2005 Victory Hammer & 8-Ball

or just lop a cylinder off (a la the Buell Blast) and call it the Ace.
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Old 10-27-2004, 07:04 AM   #23
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Default Muscle cruiser? HAH!

i test rode a triumph rocket III last week, and ever since then, when i hear someone (other than a V-Max owner) say "muscle cruiser," i just have to laugh.



i'm not buying a rocket because i don't care for the ergos, but if triumph ever puts that engine in a touring or sport-touring bike, i'm pouncing. one of the GREAT engines of all time.



if you haven't ridden one yet, you owe it to yourself. makes v-twins feel like kiddy trikes.
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Old 10-27-2004, 07:56 AM   #24
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That's especially true in canada, here Acura sells the 1.7EL, which is a civic in a tuxedo. Remember the Cadillac Cimmaron? Cavallac.
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Old 10-27-2004, 08:47 AM   #25
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>>The thought of the barhoppers cruising Yellowstone in winter with apehangers and EZ-Leakers(tm) is a bit disturbing though. Does anyone sell insulated armchaps?



Disturbing but true!

Keep us posted here at MO if you find neoprene armchaps please during your search.... my little arms are starting to freeze over oh so bad now that winter is on the horizon here in LA!

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Old 10-27-2004, 09:18 AM   #26
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Default Horsecrap

"This is because Victory hasn't been mired in "tradition", instead they've tried (successfully) to balance function with form."



Yes, and can you spell b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t? The new Hammer is as trendy as it gets: wire rear tire, larger engine, and on-and-on. The damn thing looks like the cartoon character Baby Huey. It is butt-ugly. Now, the 8-Ball is a winner as it was probably done for all the wrong reasons (an entry level cruiser) and ended up being the essence of cruising. And don't tell me that Victory planned it that way because the rest of the lineup would be just as good.
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Old 10-27-2004, 09:44 AM   #27
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Default Re: Muscle cruiser? HAH!

Test riding the Rocket III has increased my shirt sleeve length by one inch.
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Old 10-27-2004, 10:14 AM   #28
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[i]>"This is because Victory hasn't been mired in "tradition", instead they've tried (successfully) to balance function with form.



True. if it weren't for 'tradition' the motor would be 90°, watercooled, half as big and twice as powerful. Seriously though, how can you build a harley knockoff cruiser and claim not to be traditional at the same time.. oxymoronic by definition.

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Old 10-27-2004, 10:30 AM   #29
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I wasn't claiming that Victory was producing MotoGP bikes. What I was trying to say is that most V-TWIN CRUISERS have deliberately de-tuned engines and dumbed-down brakes, to make the bikes perform more like something out of the 1950s. Victory breaks from tradition in this regard.



I went on to say that the 250 rear tire was a dumb thing to do and that it was a departure from Victorys usual practice of trying to make their motorcycles dynamically superior within the constraints of the V-Twin Cruiser mold. -Sean
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Old 10-27-2004, 10:59 AM   #30
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Default Re: 2005 Victory Hammer & 8-Ball

Very good test. A good friend of mine has been shoping for a Hammer, so I sent him this test, I hope it helps him make up his mind. He has told me that some of the local dealers here in Arizona, have been trying to get more than MSRP for the Victories, and also have told him that there would be all kinds of extra charges, like prep, delivery, set up, destination, etc. So I guess they are following H-D dealers in their foot steps to scam the unaware.
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