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Old 10-15-2004, 05:49 AM   #21
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Default Re: MV Brutale Street/Track & Owner

Nice touch on the header pipes. This is one bike that really is fun to look at up close. I got a kidney for sale that ain't been subjected to too much hard drinkin'. Any takers?



Seriously though, why all the *****ing about the high price. That's a moderate price for a new Harley and those things are everywhere. I have yet to even see a Brutale in person.
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:02 AM   #22
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Great test. Beautiful bike. Although I think Buz must have rocks in his head to let Sean ride the danged thing. I'll bet Buz was on the verge of a nervous breakdown the whole time.



It's fun to see Sean plumb the depths of handling that someone else's bike is capable of.



How have the reliability issues been, Buz? Not that it matters. The bike will only hold its value over the years, regardless.



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Old 10-15-2004, 06:04 AM   #23
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Default I agree with all of you.

The R1 and ZX-10 are the best Japanese designs to come out in years. However the real difference is in the minute details. You've really got to get close to the Brutale to see the real genius in sculpting every part.
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:08 AM   #24
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Sean's let me ride 12 bikes for which MO was responsible. I believe there is enough mutual respect between us to know that he would ride it hard without subjecting it to undue harm.



I've got 1500 miles on it with no problems. The thing is stout no question. My bikes aren't trailer queens and it will be ridden as hard as the others - just not as far!
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:14 AM   #25
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MCC is it. I love that F4!
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:14 AM   #26
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Thet do have the cool bikes there!
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:39 AM   #27
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seems like a blatant rip of the Suzuki whatever it was 400 Bandit? circa `94. that was a cool little bike and i think more powerful than the Brutale.
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:45 AM   #28
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I've heard this bike wail its siren song. It's irresistable!

Unfortunately the dyno video doesn't do it justice. Like Buzz said, you've got to see it in person... and hear it!
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:54 AM   #29
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Default Re: OK, so let me get this straight SA...

I don't think you'll hear Sean call the MV a "carbon fiber clown suit" anytime soon.
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Old 10-15-2004, 07:39 AM   #30
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Default Chopper vs. Brutale - A "double standard"?

Does it really seem like I am applying a "double standard" to the Ridgeback and the Brutale? I think the crux of the issue is that I get paid to discuss the facts, merits and weaknesses of the motorcycles that I ride. I do this, so that readers can make informed buying decisions or at least be entertained and enlightened during their boring workdays. For readers who donÂ’t care what a motorcycle is actually like to ride, they can skip my words and check out the tech specs and plethora of photos in every article.



In the case of Big Dog Ridgeback review vs. MV Brutale review, the facts happen to be that the Big Dog was a ***** poor tool for anything that involved actually riding the motorcycle. I (rightly) criticized it for that and for the fact that the discomfort associated with the RidgebackÂ’s riding position is caused strictly for the sake of making the rider "look" cool. In addition to discomfort, the "chopper" riding position deliberately compromises all aspects of the bikeÂ’s dynamic performance and safety. When I rode a chopper and it handled like a "chopper", I told the readers that it didnÂ’t work very well as a "motorcycle". I do the same thing when any other bike I test has a bad trait, for example: ZX-10R headshake and shifting problems, weak Harley brakes, Brutale fuel injection and suspension tuning, etcÂ… In the Ridgeback review, I pointed out the bikeÂ’s weaknesses, just as I would with any other bike. I also pointed out its strengths in the realm that it was designed for (it is loud and mean sounding, impresses bystanders, draws a crowd, etcÂ…).



In the BrutaleÂ’s case, the bike happens to work well as a motorcycle. Even though the BrutaleÂ’s riding position happens to offer the MOST EFFECTIVE means of controlling a moving motorcycle, I still criticized it for being uncomfortable. Furthermore, the fact is that the Brutale's functional shortcomings are miniscule compared to any chopper's, yet I still pointed those Brutale shortcomings out to MOÂ’s readers. In the BrutaleÂ’s defense, its dynamic shortcomings are NOT caused by a basic design that is deliberately compromised and in flagrant disregard of the fundamentals of motorcycle handling (like a rigid chopperÂ’s lack of rear suspension, or raked-out and extended forks). I was disappointed with the Brutale, because its flaws are easily fixable and I think the MV factory should have sorted them out, before releasing an otherwise outstanding motorcycle.



MO is a motorcycle magazine for people who ride motorcycles. My complaints about the Big Dog Ridgeback AND my complaints about the Brutale, are centered around the facts pertinent to their basic operation as a motorcycle. If your idea of "motorcycling" is based on trying to get a date with a woman, or sitting around with a bunch of drunk guys bragging about the bike that is parked in the lot, then choppers are a superior motorcycle in every regard. Thankfully, I think most of the MO readers are more interested in a motorcycleÂ’s capabilities and functionality, than they are with its ability to impress people who seem to know very little about actually riding motorcycles. -Sean

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